Is Texas significant?

Posted on 02/15/2008 at 12:27 pm by JumpyPants

Wonder how Mark Penn is spinning the latest ARG poll in Texas?

48% Obama, 42% Clinton.

I’m sure that if these numbers continue to move in the direction numbers everywhere have been moving and continue to move, and they lose Texas, they’ll find a way to explain that this state doesn’t matter, either, except, of course, for the superdelegates they’re courting who live there. Kos nails it:

That [the Clinton campaign] would even suggest a tactic that would sunder the Democratic Party, kicking off a vicious and destructive civil war, tells me that like Bill in the 90s, when our majorities in Congress and all around the country were decimated and the party’s base left to wither and die, Hillary will put her own interests above those of their party. And to me, there’s no greater sin in Democratic politics than that.

So the Clinton campaign has graduated from saying that certain states don’t matter, to saying certain voters don’t matter, to now saying that the Democratic Party electorate doesn’t matter.

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  • Nanotyrannus

    Spot on JumpyPants. They consider themselves the Democratic Party, in spite of the fact they did little to put us back in the majority for 7 years. It really is a sense of entitlement on their part. We’re supposed to dutifully vote and not ask questions. Should we do something radical like vote for someone else, she’ll take care of the nomination for us.

  • Grandjester

    I am really getting sick og Kos and some you HuffPo folks for the constant hit jobs on Hillary Clinton. Are we really so enamoured with Obama (and I have seen it up close here in Boise) that we are going to write off, maginalize and dismiss one of the best? Are your petty jelousies so important?And why the resentment for Hillary TRYING TO WIN? Isn’t that the fucking point? GOD FORBID she try for the nomination now that Obama has manged to tie the delegate count (and yes, at this moment, with the supers in play it is STILL a statistical tie).Obama may be the savior you all think he is, but I believe the Dems may rue the day they turned on Hillary.

  • bajasteve

    So you think it would be just hunky-dory for Hillary to get the nomination via the superdelegates, rather than by getting the majority of the popular vote? Do you check your brain at the door when you go to vote? Oh di doh, I’m sure they know better than me. After all, they’re pros!

  • bajasteve

    Oh, and when are you going to post your “Leave Hillary alone” video on youtube?

  • Grandjester

    Did I say that bajasteve? Did I say anything remotely close to that? No.Did I engage in an ad hominem attack? No, but you sure did.For the record, I am/was/will be an Edwards supporter, and IMHO the BEST candidate was f’d over by the party as well.If you would like to address the actual point, be my guest, but don’t get personal just because I have not bought into the cult of Obama and I think Hillary has EVERY RIGHT to fight for the nomination with every tool at her disposal. Fuck the Democratic party, we need the BEST and Mr. Obama is very good, but very light in some very important areas.Let’s not start the coronation just yet, hmmmm? Can we let the voters decide before you, Bob and Kos make the decision?

  • bajasteve

    You said:Let’s not start the coronation just yet, hmmmm? Can we let the voters decide before you, Bob and Kos make the decision?Can you not even keep your own argument straight? You say first that Hillary has every right to fight for the nomination with every tool at her disposal; then you ask that we let the voters decide. Superdelegates, as you should know, but apparently don’t, are not the voters. They are party hacks, professional politicians, back room brokers, etc. Why should 796 of them be able to thwart the will of millions of American voters?If you want to live in a country ruled by an oligarchy of elitist politicos, move. I prefer to trust the American voters, as imperfect as they may be, rather than be told, “Never mind, we know what’s best for you.”

  • Grandjester

    Yeah, well we have not come to that point yet, now have we.And that “if you don’t like it move” bullshit is the kind of thing I woul expect from a reich winger, well done. The system we have in place is flawed across the board, so we should do exactly what? Let’s let the voters do their thing, and worry about the “threat” of supers and brokered conventions when the time comes. Until then, Mrs. Clinton has EVERY RIGHT TO FIGHT for the nomination. It ain’t over, by any stretch, and if YOU don’t like it, instead of suggesting you LEAVE, I’ll just suggest you VOTE.

  • bajasteve

    Excuse me, but Mrs Clinton does NOT have the right, after agreeing with the leadership of her own party, upon whom she has depended for support, and upon whom she has called numerous times for help, to reverse herself and demand that the delegates from Florida and Michigan be seated.She refused to have herself deleted from the Michigan ballot – after every other democratic candidate did so; she held a fund raiser in Florida right before the (unauthorized) primary there. Does anyone seriously believe she wasn’t campaigning?She has every right to try to win the nomination by using every legimate, ethical method available. What she doesn’t have the right to do is flout the rules of her own party, to dismiss the results of popular voting and try to steal the nomination by sneaky, underhanded, unethical ways. That’s called GOP politics. It’s something Tom Delay would be very proud of.

  • Grandjester

    And Mr. Perfect 9Obama) ran ads in Florida. GET. OVER.IT.

  • bajasteve

    Read the facts. Obama’s were nationally-aired on the networks, not targeted to local stations in Florida. There’s a difference. Stop drinking the kool-aid.