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Tonight! McCain declares war on Spain! Charges up San Juan Hill! Huzzah!

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  • gallery

    Ugh. The only video I can watch of this idiot sanchez, is of him being voluntarily tasered on teh youTube.

  • jane

    Hi Gallery. How’s the art world today?

  • JG

    I loathe David Gregory–he frames every issue with the burden of proof on Obama–he gives voice to EVERY right-wing talking point, and then looks askance at everything that benefits Obama–and will Harold Ford please STOP IT! He basically said McCain has a better grasp of the issues than Obama–puhlease–this is a fallacy propped up by BBQ narratives.

  • jane

    I’ve been spending the “M.C.” David Gregory hour watching the DVR’d previous hour of “Hardball” fast forwarding when I can’t stand somebody (frequently).

  • JG

    I am not a fan of Tweety because he blows in the wind, and usually goes where the polls are, but he has definitely been lighting it up as of late–Gregory is a tool. Rachel Maddow’s show is amazing–as much as I love KO, I even like Rachel Maddow’s show better.

  • jane

    Maddow Roxxor!! and I don’t think she’s had to keep wearing the false eyelashes they prolly insisted she wear the first night.

  • idreamofskiba

    Maybe I’m being foolish, but I think Matthews is genuinely disgusted with everything right now.

  • JG
  • idreamofskiba

    My Goodness, do McCain or Palin know ANYTHING?!?!

  • jane

    They certainly don’t seem to know when to STFU.

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    I gotta tell you, I am deeply disturbed by McCain’s answers regarding meeting the Spanish President. I mean, what the fuck?! Is this what the Republicans have become? Does every world leader have to somehow prove themselves to the US?

    At first I thought he might have had a hard time understanding the reporter. Hell, I’m hispanic and even I had a hard time trying to decipher the question through the accent. But by the fourth time, I got it… and McCain didn’t.

    I always thought a McCain presidency was a scary proposition but in an intangible, philosophical way. But after that exchange I am viscerally frightened. This is unbelievable. And then the campaign makes it perfectly clear that this was McCain’s intention! He has no qualms telling everyone, EVERYONE to fuck off until you are worthy to kiss his ring… Jebus!

  • LoewLife

    i tend to give matthews some credit, i understand he’s not really all that bright, but i think he is indeed genuinely pissed at the republicans right now. He strikes me as a semi conservative democrat, having been in the Carter administration. besides, his general premise lately seems to hold up: these guys have fucked everything out; they deserve to be thrown out on their asses.

  • idreamofskiba

    “What about me what?”Why does he always have to be so rude to someone asking him a question?

  • LoewLife

    John McCain doesn’t seem to like anybody with a Latin last name…

  • jane

    Hi Carl! Just got back from a corporate load-in deep in McCain Cuntry.

  • LoewLife

    ugh… is this idiot Palin out of my beloved state of Iowa yet? god she’s insufferable. I’m so proud that this seemingly conservative state is leaning blue this year.

  • ShelleyBee

    Awesome Bill & Ted reference:The masturbating bear in San Dimas disappeared into the woods with Napoleon, Genghis Khan, and Abraham Lincoln.

  • JG

    I still don’t understand how the Troopergate stonewalling is not HUGE news–I understand our media cannot walk and chew gum, but this is unreal.

  • jane

    Awesome Fineman: Obama “wants to measure twice and cut once.”

  • idreamofskiba

    Why does Todd Palin always look so angry?

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Hi Jane! Where were you on your load in? Desert cuntry in Arizona?

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Skiba – wouldn’t you be angry if you married Sarah Palin? Jebus Hussein Christ, I’d be pissed all the time too!

  • jane

    Carl- I was in “the Village of Pinehurst” (sic). Down east.

  • idreamofskiba

    You’re right, Carl, being married to someone like her for 20 years would do that to a person.

  • KatinWilm

    Good evening all! I’m in a lovely glow of Rachel-love – she’s so amazing.Skiba & Carl – I agree, being married to Palin would cause anyone to walk around looking pained. I imagine the poor man’s balls dropped off years ago due to frostbite.And Jane – Pinehurst? I’m sorry….

  • jane

    Kat, I secretly believe they actually move buildings around in my absence just to get me f^&*(ing lost every time I go down there.

  • The Space Cowboy

    Not all that live in AZ are McCainites.Though, it can be a little troubling to see the McCain bumper stickers.But, I’ve seen more Obama stickers than McCain (I’m in Phoenix).

  • jane

    Re: Todd. Rather than lost balls, I imagine a seething undercurrent of fury and pent-up mysogeny.

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Hey Kat – I think The Dude’s balls are probably in a jar on the mantle. He can have them only when Sarah says it’s okeeeeee.

  • jane

    Mysogeny. Misogeny. Nothing looks spelled right. Too tired. What about me what?

  • jane

    Kat, how’s it looking down there? See many Dole stickers? (Bitch wants Palin to stump for her.)

  • idreamofskiba

    Jane, he’s probably mad his woman wont always be around to go grab him a beer or something.

  • jane

    I picture Todd Palin actually reading his Viagra spam and drooling (out loud to his fishing buddies) over the Young Republican fans of Sarah.

  • KatinWilm

    No worries, Jane – we knew what you were talking about.I’ve seen a couple Dole signs in the front yards, but Wilmingtonians seem to be staying somewhat out of the fray. I don’t think Liddy Dole is quite as popular here as she is in the rest of the state. And she is a total bitch. No wonder Bob needs viagra.And Carl, I wonder if his tongue is in the jar with his balls. We certainly haven’t heard much from ‘The Dude.’In other news, I sincerely hope the MSM stays on McCain about his Spain gaffe today. Either way you look at it – he forgot who the PM was or doesn’t want to meet with them – it’s really scary.

  • KatinWilm

    Rachel’s reporting that the “First Dude” won’t testify in Troopergate – yup, his tongue is in the jar. I wonder if he has to sleep on the floor on a regular basis?

  • LoewLife

    “Won’t testify”… when did it become ok to just say “fuck you” to the government just because you’re a republican??! you can’t get out of jury duty for anything, but if the government wants you to testify you just have to play the “R” card? no wonder these guys can’t govern, they are traitors who hate the government of the United States of America.

  • LoewLife

    disgusting

  • jane

    Is Sarah saying “Warshington” like McCain now??(Could I dislike her more?)

  • jane

    Loew- do you ever read Glenn Greenwald, aka Glenzilla? Love his point that McCain’s involvement (and possibly paying her lawyer, formerly paid by AK) amounts to obstruction of a (PREEXISTING) ongoing investigation.

  • KatinWilm

    Damn straight Tony Knowles…”politics as usual” from people supposed to be reformers.

  • LoewLife

    -jane “is sarah saying warsh-ington?”Jesus, i hope not… i have enough trouble listening to her voice as it is, but i’m glad i’m not the only one who’s annoyed by mccain’s “warshington” pronounciation. it’s almost as bad as nookular, or thaynks but no thaynks.

  • jane

    I’ll give Sarah this…she wears the HELL out of a flag pin.

  • KatinWilm

    Loew – Noooo!!! Not “Thaynks but no thaynks!!!” That haunts my dreams…

  • LoewLife

    never heard of “glenzilla” actually. i’m not a student of law or government, but it seems that if you get subpoena’d, you had better testify… otherwise what’s the point of congress?

  • jane

    Fish love oil rigs. Kill me now.

  • KatinWilm

    I heard that clip, Jane. It’s like…seriously?? You seriously believe the words coming out of your mouth?

  • LoewLife

    surprising polls on Maddow: McCain was winning among white women before the palin pick, and now is losing? good news for the intellectual reputation of white women

  • KatinWilm

    Oh, snap! Rachel just scrolled the people from McCain’s camp she’s asked to be on her show, but they’ve declined. Good to see that McCain – Mr. “Straight Talk” – is so open with everyone.And as a side….I find Rachel insanely hot. And I’m a card-carrying heterosexual woman.

  • LoewLife

    i’m a fisherman, fish love hanging out under docks too, but that doesnt mean that docks and piers are better habitat than reefs and vegetation.

  • The Space Cowboy

    Whoops…missed the “down east” part there. Thought you folks were talking about Pinehurst, AZ.

  • idreamofskiba

    Yesterday I saw a bumper sticker that said “Older white woman for Obama.” I wanted to put a little note on the windshield telling her how awesome she is, but I didn’t.Also, I see at least 5 Obama bumper stickers a day, while only seeing a McCain bumper sticker once a week or so.(I’m in Colorado.)

  • jane

    Loew- he’s on salon.com now, former civil rights atty so law is almost always his focus (think FISA). DAMN he’s a good one. Democracy Now? Amy Goodman arrested at RNC? He was there. Today his post is about “why should Sarah complain that people are reading her emails (since Bushco has established that it’s necessary in this Post-9/11 world?”

  • KatinWilm

    Easy mistake to make, Space. Pinehurst, NC – middle of nowhere North Carolina….lots o’ golf courses….

  • LoewLife

    Jane- sounds like my kind of guy, i was pissed when Obama supported the FISA bill, but still, i support Obama about as much as McCain supports Bush, which is to say almost all the time. and yeah, the RNC arrests were bad, but i can’t say that the DNC did much better… 1st ammendment rights are certainly in danger this generation

  • idreamofskiba

    Me too, Katlin!!! (Re: Rachel)

  • jane

    Space, I believe there was some AZ talk going on too, so you didn’t sound out of left field. I’m curious about things everywhere, anyway, as are most of this crowd prolly.Skiba, shoulda followed the instinct- she prolly woulda loved the positive feedback. We all do, after the last few years of saying to ourselves “am I the ONLY one??”

  • jane

    I never got time to search re: RNC and DNC police state tactics, but it sure sounded like the RNC went for the Bush doctrine of preemptive home invasion.Saw a security guard at Pinehurst with a taser. WTF??!? (I hear Canada loves the taser too so where shall I move if Palin steals this election?)

  • WalkThisJai

    Rachel Maddow is my girl crush.

  • KatinWilm

    Jane – my best friend and I are already looking up places to move to in December if Palin-McCain (hee,hee) happens to steal the election. We’re thinking the Caribbean, actually.

  • jane

    Ooooh…warm weather, beaches, lots of alcohol…I like the way you think.

  • KatinWilm

    On Olbermann, they are talking about McCain as ‘Mr. Split Personality.’ Can’t we just call a spade a spade and say he’s gone senile?

  • jane

    “She has tits”?? That was supposed to be so bad/sexist? Really? I just thought “tits” was unprofessional. I say Dems, let it go, you aren’t disagreeing with her premise anyway (women wouldn’t choose Sarah on the basis of said tits), there’s plenty of low-hanging fruit to chomp at right now. So to speak. Jeez it’s hard to talk about tits coherently.

  • KatinWilm

    Oh, yea, Jane…that was our line of thought. My friend is a scuba instructor so we are thinking of somewhere where lots of hot men (or Rachel Maddow) who like to dive come to visit for a couple weeks. ;) Who needs frigid Canada when you can have that?

  • ceu

    When are these fuckers gonna make the connection that cutting taxes does NOT create jobs?! It’s a fallacy and they keep pounding away at it like it was some giant, eternal truth. Unemployment in Dec. 2000 3.9% – balanced budget, paying down the debt. Bush cuts taxes – unemployment now 6.1%, HUGE debt and HUGE budget deficits. Hello??

  • jane

    OPM (other people’s money) is paying for our little exercise in Iraq, muthafuckas.

  • ceu

    And another thing – the R in Washington is SILENT! Grrrrrr….

  • KatinWilm

    Jeez…that clip of the McCain interview with the Spanish journalist is just embarrassing. Please, please, please America….we cannot have this man representing us on a global scale.

  • jane

    Chris- and what’s so damn wrong with some of the programs that our taxes pay for? A lot of these issues (think uninsured medical care, pollution, eg) end up costing us ANYWAY, why not pay for them up front through negotiated lower rates? I really think whenever we (ok they) hear “tax-raising, big government” the dems need to attack the economic model that pretends these things don’t have ANY costs.

  • jane

    Kat- I want to learn the SCUBA. Do you dive? (I’m gonna just be jealous in advance.)

  • jane

    Another night, another screen full of tabs I don’t have time to read/watch. (Am I alone in this feeling??)

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Okay, here’s how I see it. The wheels have fallen off on the McCain campaign and specifically John McCain. Why? Because he’s fucking old!

    I seriously think that not only is there some kind of PTSD going on there, but because the campaign has taken such a toll on him physically, he’s tired and therefore becomes easily confused and the PTSD that he’s hidden so well over the last 100 years is now coming to the forefront.

    He can’t focus, he can’t concentrate and as a result, he’ll say anything to anyone to get a vote. Fuck the way he feels about things personally – he’s crossed the threshold of saying what he believes into the realm of not caring what he says as long as he thinks it’s what people want to hear. If he wasn’t such a douchebag, I’d feel sorry for him. But he made his bed. You lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. [Insert your own lying-down/sleeping metaphor here.]

  • KatinWilm

    Not yet, Jane, although I’ve been informed I am going to learn. If we do have to move to the Caribbean, I’m gonna use this as one of the positive things about our move. I will try not to think about our country going to hell in a handbasket. Actually, we’d better start looking for islands out of radiation fall-out range.

  • NotAPollStat

    FYI — on AC360 — continued crapCandy Crowley, on the campaign trail with Barack, continues to lie …. says now that this Wall Street crap hit, the campaigns are finally talking about the economy; she says they did address the economy at times regarding the housing problems and mortgage problems …. WTF! Barack’s BEEN talking about the economy his WHOLE CAMPAIGN! I sent AC360 an e-mail the other night, that you can put lipstick on Candy Crowley, but she’s still Candy Crowley, a McCain sympathizer. And the other guy,John Whoever-he-is — has to point out that McCain addressed Fannie and Freddie 2 years ago and Barack did nothing. I also told Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt that I hope he lost a ton on the collapse.

  • jane

    Carl, I can totally imagine McTortured absolutely burning out before the campaign is over, fuggeddabout the stress of the job if he were to get it.

  • jane

    And “with all due respect” I call him McTortured without conflicted feelings since he voted against restricting the CIA from torturing.Fu(%@r.

  • ceu

    Jane, they’re all such huge patriots, but they missed the part of the Constitution that says “promote the general welfare”. They have no clue what it means.And what is up with people posting that they almost feel sorry for McCain? (yes, Carl, I’m pointing at you) You’re the 5th or 6th person I’ve seen today say that. Yes, he’s a douche and he’s humiliating himself and GOOD!! Karma’s a bitch.

  • KatinWilm

    Ick…I can’t watch Candy Crowley either. I think I’m off to bed. Have a good night, all!

  • jane

    Chris, (re Carl feeling sorry) it’s just that McCain has such a short time left on this planet to reconcile with his maker, which is probably a much bigger deal to him than us. Carl’s not really all that sorry (I think).

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    I didn’t say I felt sorry for him, I said if he wasn’t such a flaming asshole I might… I picture Bob Dole, but at least Dole came across as a nice guy. Trust me, I can’t stand the fucker. I hope his seven houses collapse on him.

  • jane

    Night Kat!

  • NotAPollStat

    More AC360 –the polls! because the polls are in Obama’s favor now, it’s no big deal.now they’re talking negative ads, and of course, making out like Barack is the deviland then John King says last week Barack was “on the ropes” –so when McCain ahead in polls, Barack is on the ropesbut when Barack is head in polls, it’s just insignificantI can’t watch anymore of that crap,Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt needs to just deal with co-hosting Regis and Kelly.

  • ceu

    I don’t think he is either, Jane :) It seems today is the day when everyone is empathizing with the humiliation McCain is bringing on himself…but I keep remembering that this is a guy who would have no problem sending our sons & daughters off to war and empathy from me goes right out the window.

  • jane

    Problem I see, after finally hearing McCain’s interview, is that he (and Sarah re Bush doctrine) doesn’t have the (balls? humility?) to just clarify WHAT THE FUCK THEY WERE BEING ASKED, and instead just tried to BULLSHIT their way through an answer.That, to me, is the more frightening aspect.

  • ceu

    I know you didn’t, Carl. I was giving you a hard time – which doesn’t come across all that well on a computer screen… :)

  • NotAPollStat

    Who in the hell can sympathize with POW McCain .. he went through all that crap and continually votes against veterans and veterans benefits. In his mind the only patriotic and deserving veteran is he himself. He should be happy he came home physically intact, unlike how many others who have lost limbs, etc. He should feel blessed he even came home at all — unlike over 4,500+ who died in Iraq.

  • jane

    I guess if McCain was MY grandpa I *might* feel sorry for him.But prolly not, if he was my father.

  • jane

    Obama: measures twice, cuts once.McCain: cuts, screws up, mutters, cuts again differently, insists that it fits, shoves the piece into place, it fails, cuts a third time, cuts his finger off with the saw, cusses at a young assistant, cuts (wrong) again, screams about insubordination until he is left alone on the jobsite.

  • ceu

    Well, to be fair, NotAPollStat, no one knows what war is like other than the McCain family. (Meghan McCain, 9/9/08)

  • jane

    Where’sa youtube montage of the McCain Palin Hug Cringe??

  • http://livefreeordie08.wordpress.com LiveFreeOrDie08

    Carl:You lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. [Insert your own lying-down/sleeping metaphor here.]It seems like something related to “sleeps with the fishes” is appropriate given McCain’s recent affinity for off-shore aquatic life.

  • http://livefreeordie08.wordpress.com LiveFreeOrDie08

    Surfing through the various surreal headlines today it struck me that this has all the makings of an excellent sequel to the old TV series SOAP.You’ve got the muttering War vet, the superficial beer heiress – who likes to hang with the bikers at local sudz-it-up T-shirt contests. The heartbroken adopted child that can’t get her parents to acknowledge her much less include her in family photo ops. A completely deranged career Mom who spends her time snooping around her sister’s house in between fittings for $5k designer jackets and hosting PTA fundraisers. A droopy dog Uncle Joe that is constantly undermining the family unity with his passive aggressive vendetta against Super-Mom. And among the B-story characters there’s a completely dysfunctional newlywed couple where the groom contemplates weekly schemes that might hopefully set him free of the penalty box he’s been enslaved into by one night of MooseJuice-induced “let’s do it in the tanning bed” teen angst.Oh, and Lindsay Graham would play that guy who liked to wear dresses.And whenever Barack Obama stops by to visit he’s always puzzled because they keep asking him to mix drinks and set the dinner table.And lastly, of course, there’s the muttering Great Uncle that lives in the closet and claims he’s invisible. Something about working in the shadows – on the dark side. You know – bat sh*t crazy talk.

  • ceu

    LiveFree – I believe you’re on to something there. Very nice.