‘A Cruel Thing’ Indeed

Ezra Klein:

This might be a wise political calculation on Obama’s part. But it is a cruel thing to ask of his coalition. [...] Pro-choice women and gays were a significant part of Obama’s coalition, and they’re being forced to accept that the candidate they worked for will use the election they won to elevate a powerful religious leader who works often and publicly against their interests. For them, the day will be darkened.

Absolutely right. However, I respectfully disagree with Ezra on another point when writes that the Obama coalition is being forced to carry all of the sacrifice — the total burden of tolerating and digesting this decision. From what I’ve read, some of the far-right and Warren’s evangelical coalition are almost as angry about this thing as most of us are.

Then again, sure. We won. We’re really not obligated to satisfy the Warren base and they’re welcome stand in the freezing mud on the Mall if they want to be a part of the inaugural. But going back to what I wrote earlier — their dissatisfaction is evidence that the Warren invitation has succeeded in pleasing nobody. Again, in this case the middle way is no way at all. I mean, is anyone other than the president-elect excited about this thing?

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  • http://unrelatedcontent.com Travis D

    Stranahan seems pretty hyped. Also, I suppose Rick Warren’s family.

  • Bob_Cesca

    Lee can speak for himself, but I didn’t sense “excitement” from his posts. I give him a huge round of applause for attempting to rationalize this. It can’t be an easy task.

  • http://unrelatedcontent.com Travis D

    I don’t know, three posts in like 10 hours, including a HuffPo piece encouraging people to embrace the decision outright. Seems like he’s pretty Purpose Driven.

  • sammyscooge

    Bob said:”Again, in this case the middle way is no way at all.”___________________________________________Warren isn’t middle, that’s why this isn’t working for so many.

  • http://unrelatedcontent.com Travis D
  • JMY

    Their day is darkened? There going to let an invocation get to them? Again how does this elevate Warren? Nobody will care months from now, nobody will care the day after.I guess I’m different but things like this are just small to me and in the long run are not going to matter and I’m not even a fan of Warren or his views.

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Sammy – Bob’s reference to the middle was about Obama. “the middle is no way at all” is a John Adams quote.

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    JMY – I completely agree.

  • Bob_Cesca

    >>Warren isn’t middle, that’s why this isn’t working for so many.”Middle” in this context implies “compromise”. Welcome back, Sammy!

  • http://www.netmediazone.com Rover

    I find it ironic that those who are angered by this because of Warren’s intolerance are fighting it by being intolerant. Obama is a smart guy, not only that he is wise. Everyone needs to relax and take a step back and understand that Obama ran on what is good for our nation not what is good for ideology.

  • trustno1

    I’m not especially pleased about this, but I see it as small potatoes in a big soup pot.I just keep thinking about when Obama said that he sees not Red and Blue America, but the United States of America. It seems like he’s walking along that path.If he keeps that campaign promise, I am hopeful that UHC and withdrawal from Iraq are not too far behind, which are more important than a factoid that will be relegated to the annals of Trivial Pursuit on January 21.

  • http://unrelatedcontent.com Travis D

    Why am I supposed to be tolerant of bigots, exactly?

  • Bob_Cesca

    >>I find it ironic that those who are angered by this because of Warren’s intolerance are fighting it by being intolerant.Some views go beyond the realms of tolerance and intolerance. This is about Warren getting special treatment. Some things are just wrong and awful, Rover, and thus aren’t deserving of special treatment.

  • http://peacebetweenpeople.blogspot.com OllyOllyO

    Rick Warren sucks. Anybody who uses their ministry to discriminate against others does not deserve this honor.With that said, I have to piggy back off of trustno1. I understand Obama’s thinking. This is a decision that has nothing to do with policy or legislation. Seems like a pretty good situation to show your ability to be open to all Americans.Bob, you make the point that the middle is no way at all in this instance. And while those to the far left and right are pissed about this, I think this is the type of decision that could help keep the center-right Obamicans to stick with him in four years. They’re not going to come out celebrating this decision, and they might not even care too much about Warren, but in four years if he keeps doing things like this, they’re going to feel like he really did believe in that whole unity thing and he can campaign on it again. As long as these decisions involve people who aren’t going to take any part in our government, I don’t think we should worry about it that much.I’m more disheartened by the Salazar pick, and his initial consideration of Brennen.

  • Kyle W.

    >>Seems like a pretty good situation to show your ability to be open to all Americans.Exactly. It’s all about allowing everyone to feel included.Except the gays.

  • JG

    I completely agree that Warren is a hater–but I just have to marvel at the brilliance of this move.Sean Hannity’s hunting knife of “most liberal/we don’t know him/association” bullshit is turning into a butter knife before our eyes.Again, the agenda has not changed. If it does, then we have a problem. I view this as exactly the same thing as Obama’s (and many Dems) stance against gay marriage. I do not believe they are truly against it, but there is a political reality to getting elected and getting things done that one needs to follow. Once he earns his capital as a “moderate,” he will be able to address the huge issues of the day: economy, Iraq, health care.Gay rights are also a very big issue for me, but we need to be smart about bringing about change on this front. One other thing, this pick is a twofer–it comes across as “moderate” to the center right and BBQ media, while at the same time shining a light on the hatred.

  • Kyle W.

    >>Sean Hannity’s hunting knife of “most liberal/we don’t know him/association” bullshit is turning into a butter knife before our eyes.By showing some concern over proving Hannity “wrong”, you’re lending entirely too much credence to anything that comes out of that bozo’s mouth. Should we have Obama come out and flog effigies of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and Karl Marx, as well?The selection of Rich Warren to deliver the invocation is simply indefensible, unless Obama plans on cornering Warren on the issue while at the podium, which I highly doubt.

  • http://peacebetweenpeople.blogspot.com OllyOllyO

    I consider myself a gay rights activist. I am going to do everything I can to give the LGBT community equal rights for as long as it takes. It’s a sad fact, but right now, it’s not politically viable for a national candidate to support gay marriage. I think that’s our fault. We need to do more. We need a huge grassroots movement, and we need to change public opinion so we have the votes on our side. It can and will be done. Obama can only do so much, though. We need him to get elected to a second term. Then, we can really make some changes to social issues. The goal should be to make some drastic changes in Obama’s second term and nominate a Democrat in ’16 who supports gay marriage.

  • http://muchrejoicing.net Jeremiah G

    The point is WE need to be inclusive. WE include gays, blacks, poor people AND Christians. THEY don’t include anyone they don’t like. WE’re better people because of it.

  • http://obamaproject.windonwater.net QueenTiye

    I’m all worn out on this topic. It’s rather difficult pushing through such fierce opposition with nothing on your agenda but trying to create the space for dialogue. I wish I were more ideological on the subject, and could call all of you “evil heathens” and be done with it. ;) Anyway – here’s Marc Ambinder with a fairly reasonable post (in my opinion): http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/the_furiuous_reaction_of_parti.php

    In his short political career, Obama has deftly manipulated political symbols to his advantage, but he’s never been one to pay homage to one of the most sacred regulations of identity politics, which is that one must take care of one’s own kind before turning outward. His mind operates differently. Obama does believe, as many of his supporters do, that there are uncrossable demarcation lines between the reasonable and the profane. But he doesn’t believe that Warren, someone he admires for reaching outside his (Warren’s) comfort zone on AIDS, is all that different from himself. Obama is simultaneously capable of admiring Warren while disdaining Warren’s oogedy boogedy appraoch to gay relationships and his uninformed response to torture. Warren’s views might be hurtful to gays; Obama does not think they are harmful.

    That sounds pretty close to right.QT