A Word About Tolerance

Right now there are several thousand employees for Chrysler and Ford who could give a rats ass about which pastor/person spoke at Obama’s inauguration. In fact, I bet Obama probably is more concerned about the Chrysler/Ford temp factory closings than he is appeasing a bunch of whiny bloggers who claim to be tolerate but can’t even fathom the thought of another opinion being shared in America other than their own.

See, that’s what a troll looks like guys.

Explain to me how I am a troll because I feel that the temp closing of auto plants through out America during the holidays ranks higher than Warren speaking at Obama’s inaguration?To be honest it really bothers me that Bob is obsessing over this to be honest. I read his site daily and usually find his insight to be pretty much on the nose. I know Warren isn’t the best pick or necessarily should have been picked. I just think in the overall scope of things it’s just a little thing in the big scheme of what is going wrong in America.Huffington missed the mark as far as I’m concerned too.

The best way to convey one’s message isn’t to lead with “whiny bloggers”.I think everyone universally agrees about the auto industry’s situation, at least regarding the fact that it sucks. There’s some good stuff on OpenLeft about it, and probably also at mydd.

Ways Obama Can Fix This To Make Progressives Happy

• Replace Rick Warren with Richard Dawkins, who gives invocation entitled “Hey Jesus Freaks, Go Fuck Yourselves!”
• Pair Warren with drunken Jeremiah Wright; hilarity ensues.
• Scrub plans for closed-captioning the Inaugural Jumbotrons so that every time Warren says something about “Peace,” “Equality” or “Love” the screen reads EXCEPT FOR YOU FAGGOTS, YOU’RE GOING TO HELL.
• Perfect Bush Shoe-Dodging Reflexes so that when the first assassin takes a shot at Obama during the ceremony Rick Warren becomes Human Shield. Hilarity ensues.
• Release Top Secret photos of Warren blowing Ted Haggard at the VIP premiere of MILK.

Let’s “tolerate” Warren, and then the moment he takes the stage, those folks who are going to be there, should make a concerted effort to boo the shit out of him, so that no one can hear a damn word he says. Also, throw copies of his book at him. I dunno…I’m exhausted over this subject today. The thing is, I agree with Obama AND with Bob, so I have the spine of a jellyfish, I guess.Just please make me laugh. That’s all I ask.

My lack of spine makes me a blob–oh noes!

Adding, “Mmmmmmm, Miiiiiiilk.”

Bob,Warren didn’t compare gay marriage to incest and you know that.Here, check out what one of the leaders for the Homosexual movement said.”People for the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert told CNN she is “deeply disappointed” with the choice of Warren and said the powerful platform at the inauguration should instead have been given to someone who has “consistent mainstream American values.””I wrote a post about this statement. My claim is that if the Pro-Prop 8 people had said something like this about a gay, it would have made EVERY newscast, and the speaker would have been forced to resign for uttering hate speech.The above statement IS hate speech. It’s literally the gays telling all of America that if you don’t think like they do, you are anti-american.Mainstream American values? Excuse me? When did she become judge of what constitutes mainstream American values?For the record, I WAS against Prop 8

Geez, Mark, it appears that we are able to be worried/upset/concerned about more than one thing at a time. This one (Rick Warren) happens to be what we’re talking about now. If you have no interest in this subject, you might want to find a blog that IS talking about the car companies.It’s Bob’s blog – he can talk about whatever he wants. Some days it’s the economy; some days it’s Civil War stuff. When it’s a subject you have no interest in, don’t read it; just move on.Seriously, would you go on a blog and admonish people because they’re discussing quilting or fishing rather than Chrysler, GM, and Ford?

Pooper said, “Warren didn’t compare gay marriage to incest and you know that.”Uh, Pooper? http://airamerica.com/content/rick-warren-compares-gay-marriage-incest-polygamySuck it.

Excuse me one moment while I pause for a mini-celebration:Posted by: Travis D at December 18, 2008 05:51 PM

The best way to convey one’s message isn’t to lead with “whiny bloggers”.

Travis being nice! Woo-hoo! Hey, how about evenWOO-F*CK*NG-HOO! LOL!{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Travis}}}}}}}}}}}}}}QT

And just because I enjoy being right and you being wrong, I’m going to quote Pastor Asshat for you so’s you don’t have to cut-and-paste to watch him actually say it:”I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that ‘marriage.’ I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling it marriage.”Okay, keeping track, Pooper? Brother and sister + Puritan Code Words For Sex (“be together”) = incest.Suck. It.

Ironically, Warren is also probably on record as being against sex involving the Pooper.

OMG. QT totally (almost) fucking swore. I’m gonna fucking faint.(Love ya, QT)

Mmmmmm, pooooooper.

Hi Waldo.The fact that Rev. Warren mentioned incest in the same stream of thought as gay marriage doesn’t mean he’s “equating” them – it means that that’s another potential marriage definition that he opposes. He also included polygamy, which some, including some Mormons, some Muslims, some right-wing separatist Christians, and some left-wing polyamorous types would like to see mainstreamed, but which Paster Warren is preemptively against.He could have also gone on to say that he’s against animals being married to other animals, so as to make the same point he was making – that in his view, marriage is between one man and one woman, and no variation on that theme is ok with him.Could be considered inflammatory, and I can understand that reaction. But that doesn’t mean that he’s asserting an equivalency.QT

(Love ya back, Kat!)QT

>>MormonsWell, if reasonable people such as MORMONS believe in it.

Waldo,You stay classy. I have seen that quote several times before, and I know for a fact that the context has been vastly abbreviated.Personally, I am opposed to two dead people getting together, and calling that marriage. I am opposed to two rocks getting together, and calling that marriage. I am further opposed to a divorced couple living together, and calling that marriage.You need to understand, that for Rick Warren, his statement is about the DEFINITION of marriage only. That statement had absolutely nothing to do with homophobia or any form of it. Nor does mine. You, sir, are throwing a temper tantrum. Grow up.Now, address the statement I included from my original comment.

I don’t think you could pick a minister that wouldn’t piss some people off. I’m not religious, so any minister is offensive to me. I was honored this summer to a part of a gay wedding, so Pastor Rick is not at the top of my list, but then most ministers are on the same page as him.We have some HUGE problems facing our country, and we are letting ourselves get distracted by one of those great divisive things that make us crazy.Obviously it is going to take this country a long time to get used to the idea of gay marriage. Look at all the states that have rejected it.Global warming, world depression, Islamic terrorists, stupid wars, everything in Africa, overpopulation, AIDS, etc. These problems are way bigger and will need everyone’s effort to try to solve. Let the Rick Warren thing go. We are going to need him and his folks to help, too.

Alright, Waldo, you win. LOL. I failed to read your “Ways Obama Can Fix This To Make Progressives Happy” post before I commented.Funny, very funny.Also, I REALLY do want to see Rev. Wright drunk–I bet he’s just a “mahvelous dahling” in a stupor.

Waldo — You write funny in a very familiar way.Could it be…..The return of….

Pooper, when the interviewer says, “You think those are equivalent to gays getting married?” and Warren says “Oh I do,” please to explain the vastly abbreviated context. I must be massively stupid, or have my Noggin in my Pooper.I’m not sure what the DEFINITION has to do with anything other than to serve some semantic purpose when gimps that oppose gay marriage get cornered with no sane argument as to their problem with it. I don’t know if Warren is a homophobe, but I know for sure that God is. I’ve just never heard God equate two loving men or women that want to join in a loving MARRIAGE with brothers and sisters that like to fuck or pedophiles somehow stupid enough to apply for a marriage license.The definition has nothing to do with it, Warren is equating consensual loving relationships with grossness, felonies and Mormon marrital gangbangs. If his problem, and yours, is all about the definition of marriage then go buy yourselves a dictionary that wasn’t printed in 1955.Also, suck it. I don’t throw tempter tantrums. I pitch fits.

I don’t know, Bob. He hasn’t said “bitches” yet…

Methinks the phoenix has arisen from the ashes. Waldo Q. Blastingcap… who would come up with a name like that?…

What the fuck are you bitches talking about?

>Methinks the phoenix has arisen from the ashes. Waldo Q. Blastingcap… who would come up with a name like that?…Groucho Marx

Yeah, but Groucho Marx is dead.

“I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that ‘marriage.’ I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling it marriage.”What if your brother is really fucking hot? Why would he be against THAT.Truth be told, a brother and sister can easily get married here in the US and often do (has this dude ever even BEEN to WV or GA). You just don’t mention the fact that you’re related. And many men DO practice polygamy and marry young girls (combining polygamy and child molestation-FLDS) and call it marriage. So, what’s Warren’s point?

Waldo,I could give a rat’s ass about anyone’s definition of marriage. My wife left me for another man, but before she did, she made my life a living hell for ten years. As far as I am concerned, if you all want to live in hell, be my guest. I don’t care what you call it. Call it fun, call it gay, straight, crooked, weird, funny, bent, or spent. It’s ALL the same thing; two people doing their best to put each other under their thumb.Yes, that’s love. Why should that be withheld from the gay community?Alright then, pitch your fit. Just don’t let your drool land on others.

ITT: people’s personal issues boil to the surface.

Come on, Leigh, Warren has no point and Mr. Pooper has no point, they just don’t like homos redefining things for them, it makes them feel less like the King of the House that the Bible tells them they are. Used to be you could beat your wife while she mixed you a dirty martini and then yell at her for not getting your mistress’s lipstick off your collar. Now the Homos have gone and fucked up all that suburban splendor just because they want to be monogamous and make their love all legal and whatnot. Fucking stupid homos.

There goes my plan to pose as Elvis.

Waldo,You have no idea how far from the truth you are about me. Guess again.I’m going to eat. I’ll be back.

>>Warren is equating consensual loving relationships with grossness, felonies and Mormon marrital gangbangs.Who else would come up with something like that? Damn, I’m one happy bitch.

Welcome back, The Waldo. Even I missed you.

One last thing before I eat. Waldo, you need to learn not to lump people who disagree with you into your predefined ideas about what they believe and stand for.I am not a fan of Rick Warren. But when it comes to people taking things out of context to prove their point, I get especially pissed off about that, because religious people do it all of the time. So now I see you’ve joined them?

Hi Waldo! I actually made the point earlier – that the only equation here is “other ways marriage could be defined but shouldn’t.” That’s Warren’s point. He is saying “Marriage should be defined like this, and not like that.”Again – this argument isn’t about whether or not Warren is right about that – the consensus on this site is that he’s wrong. This argument is about whether or not he’s actually saying “Marriage should be defined like this, and not like that” or if he’s saying “Gay marriage is the same as incest and pedophilia.” I think the latter. Apparently so does Pooper, but I don’t want to get in between what sounds like a bigger fight.QT

I’m still waiting for the context in which the quote should be taken, Pooper. If you can de-abbreviate the context and make Warren sound like less of a dick for having said that, I’ll give you a kiss and call you Margaret.Also, put an odometer on your backpeddlar. You’re getting some BITCHING mileage on that fucker today.

>>”Waldo, you need to learn not to lump people who disagree with you into your predefined ideas about what they believe and stand for.”Yes, I do. You’re right. But my problem with this issue is that I can’t see any reasonable argument against gay marriage outside of irreducible religious pinheadery and Biblically-sanctioned witch hunts that urge an Us vs Them mentality because the Thems are somehow terrifying and threaten all our penises and vagini.So let me put it to you, sir: If not homophobia, nor some night-sweat phobia over the redefinition of sacred institutions that are actually sacred less than half of the time, what the fuck is your problem with gay marriage?

Waldo,Apparently you didn’t read my entire comment.Let me bring you up to date:”I could give a rat’s ass about anyone’s definition of marriage. My wife left me for another man, but before she did, she made my life a living hell for ten years. As far as I am concerned, if you all want to live in hell, be my guest. I don’t care what you call it. Call it fun, call it gay, straight, crooked, weird, funny, bent, or spent. It’s ALL the same thing; two people doing their best to put each other under their thumb.Yes, that’s love. Why should that be withheld from the gay community?”I have no problem with gay marriage. They should suffer just like everyone else does. But marriage isn’t only about the suffering, nor is it about the name, so in the end, it doesn’t matter what you call it.You know what I miss, despite all the hell? I miss celebrating victories with her. I miss the reunion after a business trip. I miss the quiet moments of love, the moments where you suddenly realize, “This is it. I will never be alone again. I have my life wrapped up with this person, I’ve put everything I had into this, and it’s ours. No one else can steal it.” Turns out someone else could, and did. But that’s beside the point. I still had it. I miss it.I don’t need marriage to make those moments real. I don’t need a legal piece of paper to tell me that right now, there’s no better place to be than with the one you love.I miss the unity. I miss the fact that we had each others back in a way that simple friends just cannot understand. I miss the partnership, and the commitment; this ideal of two people being so in love that they would forsake ALL others for the few or many moments when paradise was right here on earth.No, Waldo, I have no problem with Gay marriage. I hope, for all people, that theirs works out far better than mine did.

Waldo,Here’s the question Warren was asked, and his complete answer:BeliefNet Asked: “What about partnership benefits in terms of insurance or hospital visitation?”Warren answered; “You know, not a problem with me.I favor anyone being able to make anyone else the beneficiary of their health or life insurance coverage. If I am willing to pay for it, I should be able to put a friend, partner, relative, or stranger on my coverage. No one should be turned away from seeing a friend in the hospital. But visiting rights are a non-issue in California! Since 1999, California has had a domestic partnership law that grants gay couples visiting rights and all the other rights. Prop 8 had no –zero -effect on those rights.]The issue to me, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage. “

Gay people seem to be the one minority it is still considered acceptable to discriminate against.I always think it is useful to substitute the word ‘gay’ or ‘homosexual’ for the word ‘black’ or ‘jew’ and then see how many people would find the statements of Rick Warren or even (disappointingly) the apologist Lee Stranahan acceptable.If someone had a record of stating that Jews should not be allowed to marry or that black people should not be allowed to marry although they still claim to love Jews or black people, would we find it acceptable to have them speak at the presidential inauguration?For some reason it is still acceptable to hold anti-gay views and be considered acceptable to appear at a national event.Valpy

There is no 5000 year old definition of marriage. (sigh – just sayin’)Here’s what I don’t understand – why is it inclusion to invite someone who wants to exclude so many people from basic rights??

Waldo,Love your writing. You should consider starting your own blog. You could call it “CongregationJetofWater”.

I know I’ve posted this before in relation to Prop 8, but here is a short, very well-researched article on the history of marriage by Barbara Walker. It’s utterly ridiculous that Christianity has (again!) appropriated something and claimed it as its own out of thin air.http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/2008/nov/barbarawalker.phpFor the record, I am atheist, so I doubly despise Mr. Warren since, accoriding to him, non-believers are also beneath contempt.

former!! I meant “former” not “latter”.Sigh…QT

former!! I meant “former” not “latter”.Sigh…QT

Pooper, you left off the last question the interviewer asked Warren: “Do you think those are equivalent to gays getting married?” Warren’s answer: “Oh, I do.” So, Warren DID equate gay marriage to incest & pedophilia.

To me this is pretty simple: I refuse to tolerate the intolerable in the name of making nicey nice with people who insist on their god given right to hate those who do not believe as they do.In the word’s of my favorite band – hey, deaf guy needs to have music – “I hope they choke on it”.

Someone mentioned the defintion of marriage?http://girldujour.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/word-du-jour-marriage/