Doof Quote of the Day

They were having a ‘fair and balanced’ (5 Right Whiners for every Left) debate/discussion about the recovery package on MSNBC. The Right Whiners are *still* quoting the fabricated CBO report. The ‘actual’ CBO report apparently does not exist in their alternate universe. I had to stop listening after about 8 minutes since *all* that I heard was highly inaccurate and mostly outright lies.Great job MSNBC. When I want fiction, I’ll go to Ludlum or King. At least their fiction has an interesting plot.

Republicans are a very confused people, aren’t they?Here’s a bit of info on the very sad state of affairs in Lindsey Graham’s own backyard. (Why do Republicans hate people so much?)SC cuts could take toll on education, health careBy The Associated PressThe state’s budget oversight board carved $383 million from spending Thursday with a 7 percent across-the-board cut.This is a list of state agencies, their current budgets, what they lose and why it matters:_ Education Department, $2.4 billion, $164.7 million. More than 90 percent of the cut is passed on to local school districts._ Health and Human Services, $873.6 million, $61.1 million. The state’s Medicaid agency handles health care for the state’s aged, disabled and poor. Cuts here cost federal matching funds and care._ Corrections Department, $326.5 million, $22.9 million. The prison agency already is running a $14 million deficit._ Department of Mental Health, $195.8 million, $13.7 million. Agency took a $23.6 million cut in October, or nearly 11 percent of its budget._ University of South Carolina, $186.3 million, $13 million. USC’s 12 campus system lost nearly 15 percent of its state money in October._ Department of Disabilities and Special Needs, $170 million, $11.9 million. The agency cares for the state’s must vulnerable citizens. Budget cuts in October alone forced elimination of some services for children with autism._ Technical College system, $147.2 million, $10.3 million. The two-year college system has been a key element of the state’s economic development efforts._ Clemson University, $139 million, $9.7 million. Like USC, Clemson lost nearly 15 percent of its budget in October._ Department of Health and Environmental Control, $123.9 million, $8.7 million. The agency handles birth and death records, environmental regulations and an array of health programs, including overseeing prevention efforts of diseases and the flu._ Department of Social Services, $120.3 million, $8.4 million. The agency handles welfare programs, child protective services and food stamps. It took an 11 percent reduction October.___Source: Based on South Carolina Budget and Control Board data.

I noticed MSNBC’s “fair” coverage too. What’s equally disturbing is the giddy, giggly, and highly excited anchorette. She gave me the creeps, so I had to turn it off…

AdyLeigh -Thanks for the info. SC is not alone, FL may be worse. The reductions in SC and FL budgets look percentage wise comparable. FL has an even worse education problem since a referendum to lower property taxes passed (This is like CA Prop. 13 which passed when Reagan was Gov. and which killed public education in CA). FL public education is already poor, so the reduced spending will guarantee that every child gets left behind.Republicans have proven time and time again that it’s Party First!, Campaign Contributors Second!, and we just don’t give a fuck about the country and its citizens.(MSNBC coverage has improved since my last rant, they are giving at least equal time to the Majority Party now.)

The Reagan/Gingrich/Delay crowd is in such a spiral of denial and obstructionism that they can’t get out or see their way out of it.There is No Way they will allow the “DemocRATS” or Obama any victory on this crucial (and first major) bill; May the American public and our economic stability be damned…The pendulum has swung Sooo far to the right in the last 8 (actually, 30) years that the time for bipartisan concessions is over.The Reaganomics (re: repub policies) have proven to be so disastrous and toxic for the middle and lower classes that any effort to appease the other side at this point will only water down the effort.But what’s worse is that these repub’s have no interest in helping this Democratic leader (or any Democratic supported effort) succeed. They can not afford to have the DemocRATS in power during any posibility of an economic recovery.It’s time to fight fire with fire and expose these anti-government obstructionist greedy hypocrites for what they really are…(anti-government obstructionist greedy hypocrites).

giddy, giggly, and highly excited anchorette.

Was it Alix Witt(less)? She creeps me out and is obviously nothing more than a news reader.I was watching Contessa Brewer asking every politician she interviewed, if we need $2.2 Trillion in insfrastructure spending,why isn’t the bill – all $900 billion – completely going to infrastructure? She thought this was a great question as did every Republican she asked (I don’t believe she interviewed any Democrats).No one bothered to mention the fact that although we can spend that much in infrastructure, the amount of “shovel ready” projects are no where near that. Plans need to be made months, sometimes years in advance. The whole point was to get as much stimulus as soon as possible (that’s why the GOP was using the fake CBO to cite there wasn’t enough short term spending, right?). So yeah, we can remortar the Brooklyn Bridge, but I don’t think the plans will be ready tomorrow.Perhaps another reason for not spending all $900 billion on infrastructure is the fact that the GOP would reject it out of hand for lack of tax cuts. Go ahead, trolls, tell me I’m wrong.

AdyLeigh -Creepy is the right word. I didn’t catch who she was, I want to avoid her. It appears that she has no experience at thinking on her own. Loyal plastic robots are always creepy.The ditto-heads are very much like Stepford partisans.

Sen. Boxer is giving them Hell. Go! Barbara!dswagz – anti-government obstructionist greedy hypocrites is a perfect description.Carl – I think it was Witt(less). Thanks. I’ll know who to avoid.

Even before the money is spent, some doofus on here thinks its a cut:”_ Education Department, $2.4 billion, $164.7 million. More than 90 percent of the cut is passed on to local school districts.”… how pathetic …

The Giant Obstruction Party will not vote for the Recovery Bill even if it consisted of a program to give every male republican a blow job every 30 minutes for the rest of their life.No matter what is in the Bill, they will fabricate reasons for opposing it.They insist on punishing the nation for making them an even smaller minority in both houses of congress and for evicting them from the White House. Rabid ideologues every one.

This Democrat led financial crisis will not be solved by more spending. “Jobs” like these are only created while the Government Funding continues … and we have to pay it back eventually!!This Lobster Bill (with Lemon’s and butter galore) costs:$2700 per person in the USA$210,000 per job… and again, not a SINGLE GOP vote is needed to pass this Bill !! Democrats have a strong majority in BOTH houses!! Yet folks on here are still whining about GOP obstructionism … there is none !! Not a single concern on here about the money spent or how it will ‘stimulate’ anything.

how is cutting $165 million NOT a cut?

What’s so stooopid about this quote Bob?? Where is the ‘stimulus’ in this bill?? Seems like all this does is fund pet projects, localities, and state budget gaps for a year … will we need another TRILLION next year??Although the DemocRATs need not 1 GOP vote to passs this bill .. all you guys here can do is whine about the GOP. Hardly a mention or analysis of this bill in your blog, just a bunch of angry Liberals!!

SillyGit, yep, FL’s not looking good either. At least, Crist is backing President Obama on the Recovery Package. There are even more budget cuts coming down the line for SC.Also, Gov. Mark Sanford has been attempting to wrestle unemployment benefits away from the people who need it the most. He even refused to request the federal funds needed to keep unemployment afloat. He later caved in and asked for the federal funding, but only after Republican lawmakers finally pressured him to do it. You know, causing mass hysteria for all the people receiving unemployment was super fun! Sanford is a total dick…Grrr.Broadway Carl, it was Alex Witt, I think. She even called Peter Fenn and Pat Buchanan, “my boys.”Stepford partisans? Lol perfect, just perfect.

CEU: 165 million from 2.4 billion PROPOSED in a Bill is not a cut, because the money hasn’t been spent yet. This bill doesn’t reduce any spending on Education, local schools etc. already have their own budget … the bill only adds more spending if it is passed.SillyGit: Ugh, people are pointing out line by line things in this Bill which don’t make sense or is just plain wasteful spending. Like 200+ million to re-sod the Craptol lawn. You are the rabid idealogue, do you even care what’s in this bill?? Seems SillyGit opposes our right to even read what’s in it !!!MSNBC has Matthews, Maddow, and Olberman .. 3 of the biggest Obama shills anywhere …

gov’t spending on domestic projects IS stimulus, you idiot.

Here we go again. Trolls looking for brains to feed on since they lack any of their own.

Booogie-Mann -Why don’t you just admit that you hate the working class.You are wrong that all of the jobs created will disappear when the funding stops. Some will, some won’t. The idea is to get the economy moving again so that private sector jobs can be created in the U.S. instead of in China and India which is where job creation from corporate tax cuts have happened. I am tired of the Republican plan to employ everyone in China and India while millions here are unemployed.The cost of the invasion and occupation of Iraq is now at $5400 per person in the USA and we lost 4.1 million manufacturing jobs and another 2 million jobs across the board.We, as a nation, can no longer afford the faulty and highly damaging Ideology espoused by you and your kind.You were voted out by U.S. voters. You no longer call the shots. How can I state this any more bluntly. WE ARE NOT BUYING WHAT YOU ARE SELLING, IT IS PROVEN DEFECTIVE IN EVERY WAY. Go peddle your outdated and dangerous policies somewhere else. We don’t want your ideas anymore. They don’t work.

It’s funny that we get the same troll with a different user name every day, like it’s trying to scare us into thinking there’s more than a couple of them.

California’s budget has increased by 40% in the past 5 years. Where has all this money gone?? Average pay hasn’t increased by 40% in 5 years!!If California just passed the same budget they passed in 2005 … 3 years ago … there would be no budget shortfall … how many of you could get by just fine with what you made in 2005??Its sad how few State/Local Government’s are able to manage tightening their belt at all during these tough economic times … many of US have to …

Boogie-Mann, YES, the budget cuts here in SC that I listed above are actual CUTS that went through back in Dec.2008.

Maybe you should talk to Republican Governor Schwarzenegger and find out.

Boogie Mann…The SC info is not “PROPOSED”! The cuts were apporoved HERE and illustrate the sad state of affairs in SC. So, WTF is your problem with my having stated a fucking fact, exactly?

I meant to say, “approved”

Uh-oh… facts… overwhelming… must go back… under…. bridge.

SillyGit: Well I’d have to agree that our lack of a Fair Trade Policy going back decades (which helped employ people in Japan, then Taiwan, now China/India etc.) is part of the problem. This problem has commenced throughout both GOP and Dem administrations …. so you have to cast blam on Clinton as well, who passed NAFTA and was in charge of our trade policy for 8 years when the trade gap increased exponentially …. China grew by a huge margin while Clinton controlled the Executive Branch … or do you deny this as well??I don’t hate the working class, I am the working class … this Lobster bill (with plenty of butter n lemons) only creates jobs while the funding lasts … then we have to pay it back … over 200k per job created or saved. That’s not job creation. Allowing the actual people who create jobs to keep more of their money is what creates jobs. Why not spend 10 TRILLION, print a whole shitload of Ben Franklins and employ everyone?? I could use some of that!!This is not about Iraq, I agree that Iraq cost a bundle, but rather than debate the merits of this spending bill you are only able to bring up Iraq, China, and regurgitate some bumpersticker lines fed to you.Last I checked, 47% of people did not vote for Obama … that’s a lot of people. You act like we don’t have the right to analyze this TRILLION dollar spending bill …Maybe if Obama nominates a few more tax cheats (like Daschle, Rangel, Geitner, and Nancy Killefer) we could fund these pet projects or fill the Treasury with the money they owe.

Booogie-Mann -I doubt you have read the bill. I wish that you would. I want everyone to read it. This will destroy your case when they realize that the GOP is misleading them. I have actually read the entire thing, yes it took several days.What I object to is the ridiculous cherry-picked sound bite nuggets of it that the GOP uses to discredit the bill. They look for all of the ‘stand alone short phrases’ that when ripped from context sound like bad things. This is the favorite method of propagandists since they never actually say anything that isn’t true.Example:

Like 200+ million to re-sod the Craptol lawn.

Craptol??? Nice. You are an unamerican prick bastard. Antipatriot eh?This project is there because it is shovel ready and would immediately provide jobs. This project answers the complaints raised by the imaginary CBO report which stated (in the GOP imagination) that the Recovery Bill would not produce jobs until 2010. This is a general renovation of the Capitol Mall and includes needed maintenance of Washington Monument foundations and other structures. It is not just about sod. Sod is the smallest expenditure of over a dozen categories in just this one project.Maybe you should actually read the bill instead of regurgitating talkin points and sound bites that we have already debunked.Better yet. Just go away. Iraq is far enough.

This explains a lot about BoogerMan’s comments.

You know what bothers me most about this bill?That there is no provision in it whatsoever that appropriates ten million dollars for PoliticalPartyPooper, to do with whatever he damn well pleases.I mean, what the fuck? What kind of a bill forgets that?!?

That’s hilarious. Boogie-Man needs another one ’cause the first one obviously didn’t work.

Time to face facts. The republicans have put their cards on the table and they’ve bet on obstruction and hoping Obama fails. Their attitude that the country will suffer even more if Obama fails is just, as Darth Cheney put it, “so what?”.They care only about returning to power. Nothing else matters to them. Obama tried reaching out in a bipartisan manner to them and they showed their true colors. Time to move on and govern with a democratic majority.

>>California’s budget has increased by 40% in the past 5 years. Where has all this money gone??To fund the same things that USED to be funded by federal revenue sharing – until BushCo cut federal taxes so much that the revenue sharing went away!Federal tax cuts mean state & local tax hikes! The working class not only didn’t get a federal tax cut, they got hit with state & local tax increases – which resulted in them not being able to pay mortgages & forced many to buy necessities on credit.Belt-tightening? Remind yourself of that when you watch houses burn due to the tightened belt which can’t pay firemen, and when crime goes up in your neighborhood because enough police can’t be paid and when your schools have over crowded classrooms and your roads are filled with potholes and your bridges collapse.

It’s becoming a movement.

Allowing the actual people who create jobs to keep more of their money is what creates jobs.

Yes. It does create jobs. In China and India. Which part of “We have already been doing this nand it does not work.” are you failing to understand?We need jobs HERE. Not in fucking China and India. We will not continue the GOP policies that have contributed to this problem. To do so would be insane.WE ARE NOT BUYING WHAT YOU ARE SELLING, IT IS PROVEN DEFECTIVE IN EVERY WAY. IT IS UNFIT FOR PURPOSE. Go peddle your outdated and dangerous policies somewhere else. We don’t want your ideas anymore. They don’t work.

Guys,Did you not hear? The bill is a done deal. Let’s accept it as it is, and work in our own small part of this nation to make things better.What we do for our fellow man, for our brothers and sisters, friends, neighbors, and colleagues will go further to fix things than any stimulus package ever could. That package is just money. Money cannot buy confidence.The success of this bill now lies not in what is in the bill, but in our efforts henceforth.VIVA AMERICA!

Republican visual aids for understanding the stimulus bill.

(Laugh) … acting like you’ve debunked something only makes it true in YOUR feeble mind. Your “just go away” mentality only illustrates your inability to handle disagreement or debate this bill. Yes, we have the right to look at this bill line by line and cite the pork.47 million people did not vote for Obama, and as Hillary said “We have the right to disagree with this or any administration” … dissent is part of Democracy and yes, it’s Patriotic to disagree with your beloved Obama on this one.What’s your plan to pay back the TRILLION dollars?? Over 200k per job, $2700 bucks per person for this bill. Won’t we have to pay it back at some point?? Again, must of this bill is just generic earmarks to the states and government agencies. How does that create jobs?? Long term doesn’t this hurt more than help?? … another $2700 loan made in the name of every American?? What about next year, will we have to spend another TRILLION dollars to keep these “jobs”.One part of this Bill which I do like is the Energy portion. This kind of investment in sustainable energy will reap a net gain long term, or even short term. If Environmentalists ann Ted Kennedy would get out of the way, we could put up Windmills much faster and cheaper, less litigation … create clean energy tomorrow rather than 10 years down the road.Talk about obstructionism .. Lawyers, Enviro’s, and Ted Kennedy have done more to obstruct the creation of clean energy than any oil company or GOP’er.

PPP -Yes. Good news. Although I have the same concerns as Bob. I’m afraid it stops well short of being enough. It will have to be supplemented and so we will have this Giant Obstructionism at regular intervals.Based on what we have seen to date, I predict that the Greedy Old Pricks shall do everything they can to squelch consumer confidence. They do not want a recovery under a Democratic President. They will sacrifice as many citizens as necessary to avoid having a recovery until they have regained the dictatorship.I have always agreed with your stated opinion on the importance of economic confidence. I don’t think I’ve told you that before. Your analysis of confidence being important is dead on. Reagan did not really fix the economy, but he made everyone have confidence in it again and thus they think he really fixed the economy. The economy improved because of the improvement in confidence. Another of those feedback (or self fulfilling prophesy) situations.

Did you just hear Grassley a few minutes ago.. He said that because SCHIP had passed and now because there was money in this bill for children’s insurance people were going to cancel their ins. policies and go on welfare so they could get free ins. from the federal government. I think he said it was something in the WSJ… but I could be wrong about that.

Packy, LOL…just like I said, they love visual aids and bright, shiny objects. Oh, especially glitter…they love that on their visual aids almost as much as their guns.Keep going, it’s hilarious.

We’re still waiting for you to cite the pork, Booger.

This chart from the IRS itself demonstrates that tax receipts only went up during the Bush 2 years, and almost every year.1980 519,375,2731981 606,799,1031982 632,240,5061983 627,246,7931984 680,475,2291985 742,871,5411986 782,251,8121987 886,290,5901988 935,106,5941989 1,013,322,1331990 1,056,365,6521991 1,086,851,4011992 1,120,799,5581993 1,176,685,6251994 1,276,466,7761995 1,375,731,8351996 1,486,546,6741997 1,623,272,0711998 1,769,408,7391999 1,904,151,8882000 2,096,916,9252001 2,128,831,1822002 2,016,627,2692003 1,952,929,0452004 2,018,502,1032005 2,268,895,1222006 2,518,680,2302007 2,691,537,557SillyGat is an examply of how lacking in Economic edu-k-shun we are in the USA. She thinks tax cuts go directly to China, yea, like it’s that simple. She is unable to differentiate between bad Trade Policy and tax cuts for Working American’s. She’s unwilling to accept any debate about this bill … we’re all supposed to just “shut up” or “go away” because Obama got a mere 53% of the vote. Sorry Silly, Democracy doesn’t work that way, and I don’t remember Democrats going away when Bush won twice …CEU cites firemen, police, schools and roads all being disfunctional in California due to slashed budgets. Yea, whatever. Well I’m tired of Politicians threatening to cut these basic services FIRST rather than look at cutting thier staff or discretionary spending instead. Fire, Police, schools, and Roads are supposed to be the FIRST priority of local government … this is what we pay taxes for. These services are supposed to be first, not last in the minds and budgets in our cummunity. I’m disgusted at how these services are always listed first for cuts.

Yes, we have the right to look at this bill line by line and cite the pork.

I not only never said you had no right to read and comment, I even said that I hoped you would. We have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes pork. I’ve only heard your description of the Capitol Mall renovations spending as pork. It’s not pork, it’s mostly overdue, postponed many time, needed maintenance.

47 million people did not vote for Obama

Deja Vu. Gore actually received more votes than W. in 2001. The opinions of the Democrats have been completely ignored during the Bush Administration. Completely. Perhaps you should consider the irony of the situation now that you invoke the democracy that we were denied for eight years. For eight years you leadership behaved exactly like fascist dictators shoving their policies down our throats and taking this nation in a direction that has isolated us from our allies, invading and occupying a sovereign nation on fabricated pretexts. Anyone criticizing these moves was labeled unpatriotic. Bill O’Reilly stated that it was an act of treason to criticize the President at a time of war.Well, the shoe is on the other foot now. Keep criticizing our President you treasonous dog.

Maybe if Obama gets more Democrats to pay back taxes (Geitner, Daschle, Rangel, and Nancy Killefer) there will be enough money to fund this Bill ??

What’s your plan to pay back the TRILLION dollars??

I don’t have the numbers, but I want to know what the plan to pay for these pork was?

• B1 Bomber – The only aircraft in our arsenal that has never flown a single combat mission (because it was obsolete before it was in production, Reagan built them anyway.) I want my money back.
• Strategic Defense Initiative (Should have been called the Strategic Pork Initiative.) I want my money back.
• Iraq War.

I object to a set of hurdles that only Democrats are expected to jump through. The GOP has engaged in levels of pork spending that are mindboggeling. No one once ever asked what the plan to pay it back would be. Just the third item on my list is bigger than the one you are bitching about.I find your newfound fiscal conservatism highly disengenous.Double standards. I’m tired of your double standards. Any spending that benefits citizens is always one or more of ‘pork’, ‘socialism’, or ‘communism’. Spending that benefits Corporations is ‘wonderful’.Corporate Tax cuts do not create jobs in the U.S. anymore, they create jobs in other countries. I don’t know how many times I have to say this before you actually respond to my statement instead of pretending I said something else.Five million manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas in the past 10 years. More corporate tax cuts will not change this trend.

SillyGat is a joke, the Democrats controlled the Senate during most of Bush’s term … thanks to Jim Jeffords … what ever happened to Jeffords, what was the quid-pro-quo he received ??We’ve heard plenty from Democrats the past 8 years, the controlled the Senate for roughly 6 years and both houses for the last 2 years.

47 TRILLION Dollar “War on Poverty” spent since FDR’s new deal … yet homelessness and poverty have increased or remained flat .. according to Democrats and Liberals. They say we need more money, 47 trillion has not solved the problemI want my money back.

BM,You can have your money back only after you live a year in poverty.

>> the Democrats controlled the Senate during most of Bush’s term …This is an example of why you will never be taken seriously here. You are incorrect about basic facts which can be easily checked via the Google.Election results for the US Senate:2000: GOP – 50; Dems – 50. GOP controlled the Senate due to Cheney (tie goes to the party that has the WH) Jeffords swings the control when he became an Independent & caucused with the Dems. The “deal” was that he got a committee chairmanship.2002: GOP – 51; Dems – 48; Ind – 1 (Jeffords)2004: GOP – 55; Dems – 44; Ind – 1 (Jeffords)2006: GOP – 49; Dems – 49; Ind – 2 (Sanders & Lieberman)Even YOU should be able to admit that your statement was inaccurate.

>>CEU cites firemen, police, schools and roads all being disfunctional in California due to slashed budgetswrong. I did not say those items are disfunctional in CA. For one thing, I’d never say disfunctional, since the word is dysfunctional. For another, I’m not in CA so I have no idea if they function properly or not.I’d explain what I did say, but why bother since you didn’t care to read it the first time…

Maybe if Obama gets more Democrats to pay back taxes (Geitner, Daschle, Rangel, and Nancy Killefer) there will be enough money to fund this Bill ??

Did you run out of sayings after pulling the string on your back? We got it the first time. It wasn’t funny then, and it’s not funny now.

Hey look I’m not all for Republican’s here … they spent like crazy these past 8 years and I’m not happy about it. I’m not surprised they lost this past Nov, they’ve been fiscally irresponsible!!You’d think though, that folks on here (Libs/Dems) would indeed be happy about the huge increase in Gov’t under Bush and in virtually every State Budget!!SillyGat: For sure some portion of Corporate Tax cuts would benefit those overseas along with the big Corporate Chiefs, the percentage of that which does we are not sure. Either way I doubt you are or ever were for any kind of tax cut. Your assertion is a dishonest one, is there any circumstance where you would support a tax cut??One thing I do know is that Corporations have been run out of the USA to avoid the Highest Corporate Tax cut in the World .. yes highest in the World!! Why does Gov’t punish Coroporations like this?? No wonder they look overseas …Another shortcoming to your point is that most businesses are not some huge entities with bases overseas, most reside here and pay taxes here (unlike Geitner, Rangel, Daschle, and Nancy Killefer). You’re steroetype of “Corporations” blinds you from seeing how Corporate Tax cuts would benefit most American’s. Most Americans work for some sort of Corporation, large or small.Guy’s like the Kennedy’s and Rockefeller’s have figured out the system … most of their assets are in holdings overseas. If huge Liberals like Fatt Teddy find the US Tax system confiscatory, maybe you should reconsider your view …

CEU: I may not have had the Senate breakup exactly correct, but neither did you. See link below, scroll to the bottom:http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

boogie said “One thing I do know is that Corporations have been run out of the USA to avoid the Highest Corporate Tax cut in the World .. yes highest in the World!!”The rates may be the highest, I don’t know, but I do know the top corporations in the country do not PAY these high taxes…I read an article last year before the election that there are some corps that don’t pay ANY taxes at all. So the rate may be the highest in the world, but these corps have tax accountants to use the many loopholes to get out of paying them.

Veralynn -Yes. I read that 2/3 of the Fortune 100 companies paid zero tax for the last several years. The ones that did not pay zero paid very little.No corporation pays the full rate, ever.BM -I consider you to be a troll. You are an excellent slayer of straw men. When you debate, do you always debate the words you put into your opponents mouth or do you sometimes debate what your opponent actually said?

Your assertion is a dishonest one, is there any circumstance where you would support a tax cut??

My assertion is not dishonest. You are either misinformed or just ignorant. Manufacturing jobs are the bread and butter of the middle class. Manufacturing jobs are being shipped overseas so fast it’s an outright nightmare. I am an Electronics Engineer (with a Political Science dual degree so I’ve had Econ courses, five of them). I have worked in the industry since 1979. Back then, manufacturing was done here. I work on stuff that is usually sold to companies, not consumers, so relatively low volume stuff. In the 80s it was all manufactured here. In the 90s, we started using contract manufacturers offshore. By 2003, nothing is manufactured here. There are all of these unemployed highly skilled electronics manufacturing guys that now work as security guards or whatever else they can find. Huge pay cut.Tax cuts will not make these companies hire manufacturing employees in the U.S. They will buy and/or invest in Chinese Contract Manufacturing companies.First it was the manufacturing employees. Engineering was next. Why have a stff of full time engineers that you have to pay health benefits on, when you can hire contract engineering companies to do your engineering for you. If you use ones that are in China where your manufacturing already is, that may have advantages. India also has lots of highly skilled engineering talent that will cost about 1/3 the rate of an engineer in the U.S.So now I have no job. Giving tax cuts to the companies that I used to work for will not make them hire U.S. engineers. They will hire more in China and India.I don’t understand why you don’t understand this. U.S. taxes did not ship the jobs overseas, the U.S. health care is what really did it.If you want to create jobs in the U.S. with tax cuts, then you are going to have to incentivize the tax cut to do so. Rewrite corporate tax laws to give a huge tax break to companies that employ domestic employees. Do something to relieve companies of the cost of health insurance. I would not object to this sort of tax cut since this could work.I objected to the oversimple statement that corporate tax cuts create jobs. In a global economy corporate tax cuts create jobs wherever labor costs are lowest, not the U.S. where the jobs are needed.In general I oppose any and all tax cuts unless the national debt is zero and there is a budget surplus. I’m far more fiscally conservative than the Bushies.

I should have also stated the following.1. I am a fiscal conservative. I’ve always admired Goldwater, Dirkson, and Buckley. I also wuld like the federal government as small as possible.2. I am a social liberal. I think Government should be huge in social services, health care, and education.I would be a libertarian except they have an anarchist view that conflicts with 2.I want the government to be a small as possible while providing social services, health care, defense, infrastructure, and industry regulation.I don’t like the huge government Bush delivered because I disapprove of what he made bigger. Defense was already way too big. He crippled the FDA, USDA, FEMA, the list goes on. He has the NSA listening to every phone call and reading every email, blatantly unconstitutional.You probably heard that the DoD offered to give some of their budget to the State Department. Even the Pentagon thinks the DoD budget is too large.

DoD offered to give up some of their budget because they are the only Government agency with a shred of honor … willing to sacrafice a bit of budget for the greater good of the USA. That’s what our soldiers do, sacrafice. State Department would never do that.Really quickly: If a Corporation shows a profit, they end up paying Corporate Income taxes. I run a very small “Corporation”, so I have some experience here. The system we have in place now makes them jump through hoops to not show a profit … sending money, jobs, resources overseas is one way of reducing this $$. The tax code has only greased the skids for sending jobs, like Mfgr. Jobs, overseas where labor and taxes are cheaper.I’ve got some issues with the “Corporation” system as well. But in many ways the Government Regs/Taxes have made it what it is. SillyGat tries to make things so simplistic, a simplistic mind GOP=Evil, Bush=Evil, Dems= , Obama= x2.SillyGat’s insults don’t matter, they reveal the mean-spiritedness of Dems/Libs … who claim to be open-minded and kind but this is just a thin mask.

According to Economic Theory there is a certain tax rate at any given time which will maximize revenue to the Gov’t. I believe our tax rate is way above that point, and we are taxed in so many ways its ridiculous.SillyGat: How do you explain Revenue’s going up after huge tax cuts by JFK, Reagan, Clinton (cap. gains) and Bush 2 ??Revenue should go down right? It is my belief that the most greedy entity around is not a Corporation or some Individual, but the Government. They have done nothing to cut budget or expenses ever, continually ask for more and cry poor while doing a bad job with the money they have. I’m disgusted by the largess of Gov’t. Look at the DemocRATs taking some huge $$ trip to a Spa in VA recently, to purportedly make this spending bill!!