Loud Noises – Earth Hour Edition

All alone or in twos,the ones who really love youwalk up and down outside the wall.Some hand in handand some gathered together in bands,the bleeding hearts and artistsmake their stand.And when they’ve given it their allsome stagger and fall…After all, it’s not easybanging your heartagainst some mad bugger’s wall.

UFO Lights Outhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aatjerFCRP8

I will just paraphrase Bill Maher here and say that anyone who has children and is not concerned about the environment is on something.Bob, #2 on your list is so chock full of awesomeness, I don’t know where to begin.

Jenski42-For your consideration:”We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”This petition has been signed by over 31,000 American scientists.From the Oregon Institute of Science & Medicinehttp://www.oism.org/s32p31.htmJenski42- Did you get that number of 31,000 scientists? Not wingnuts, scientists.Did you get the part about the benefical effects of increasing the atmospheric carbon dioxide on natural plant and animal enviroments? I have 31,000 scientists saying that what your trying to accomplish will DECREASE the beneficial effects on plants and animal enviroments. Should I give YOU the FU from my kids?????

@Ken129, it has already been debunked that those 31000 people are scientists except in the very loosest of terms. It includes undergraduate degrees in math. It includes dentists. It includes mathematicians and medical doctors and it even includes dead people. None of those people are climatologist.Did you get that? 31,000 non-scientists. They may not be wingnuts, I’m not one to judge, but they have no business being called scientists with any authority on climate change.

@camel54: so you mean you don’t ask a dead dentist about the climate? That’s crazy talk.

Ken129,First off, for the record, I am referring to the tire burners and other emotionally stunted people who e-mailed Bob that they are going to burn electricity to counteract Earth Hour.Second. The OISM has 8 faculty members, 2 of whom are deceased. They don’t teach, they don’t do research, and they mainly exist, apparently to say how socialistic the public school system is.Third. I’m a biologist, so, you don’t need to tell me how science works, thanks. FYI: Studies are done using different parameters that arrive at different conclusions. Conflicting evidence must be weighed against each other and evaluated. 31,000 people that don’t believe in global warming sounds like something significant? OISM admits that 95% of them have no experience in studying the climate (as stated by camel, above.) This leads me (rightfully) to believe that this petition is nothing but a PR stunt, one to give the global warming deniers some fake data to hang their hats on.So the FU still stands.

HA! Camel54 beat me to it.31 thousand dentists agree…Go fuck yourself.

Hey Mr. The Ken One-Two-Nine!First of all, thanks for dropping in, glad to have you.Secondly, “OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for ‘parents concerned about socialism in the public schools’ and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.” So that’s fun!Thirdly, vis-a-vis those 31,000? “The institute is so lax about screening names…that virtually anyone can sign, including for example Al Caruba, a pesticide-industry PR man and conservative ideologue who runs his own website called the ‘National Anxiety Center.’”And fourth, you’re a douche and should go fuck yourself. With an enormous cannister of CO2.

Cousinavi-Here is breakdown that you requested:Qualifications of SignersSignatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,153 MS; 2,585 MD and DVM; and 12,711 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.The Petition Project classifies petition signers on the basis of their formal academic training, as summarized below. Scientists often pursue specialized fields of endeavor that are different from their formal education, but their underlying training can be applied to any scientific field in which they become interested.Outlined below are the numbers of Petition Project signatories, subdivided by educational specialties. These have been combined, as indicated, into seven categories.1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences includes 3,803 scientists trained in specialties directly related to the physical environment of the Earth and the past and current phenomena that affect that environment.2. Computer and mathematical sciences includes 935 scientists trained in computer and mathematical methods. Since the human-caused global warming hypothesis rests entirely upon mathematical computer projections and not upon experimental observations, these sciences are especially important in evaluating this hypothesis.3. Physics and aerospace sciences include 5,810 scientists trained in the fundamental physical and molecular properties of gases, liquids, and solids, which are essential to understanding the physical properties of the atmosphere and Earth.4. Chemistry includes 4,818 scientists trained in the molecular interactions and behaviors of the substances of which the atmosphere and Earth are composed.5. Biology and agriculture includes 2,964 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of living things on the Earth.6. Medicine includes 3,046 scientists trained in the functional and environmental requirements of human beings on the Earth.7. Engineering and general science includes 10,102 scientists trained primarily in the many engineering specialties required to maintain modern civilization and the prosperity required for all human actions, including environmental programs.

I don’t care what anyone says say avi…you quote Floyd, you are ok by meBonus! You make excellent points, I don’t always go with you on some things, but you say it well and again, you quote Floyd

The OISM is a joke. I’ve published more about environmental science that many of the names on that list, and I have a degree in *Political* Science. Could I sign the petition, too?One of many debunkings:http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/oregon-petition-redux/Also, in case any of you need a handy resource for debunking various deniers/skeptics talking points, bookmark this site:http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php

I’m a native Oregonian and I’ve never heard of Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. Got to be some kind of basement organization of people who believe in the folk tales of ancient goat herders.