Far Left America Haters

Of course the lefty liblab moonbats are the only ones who think torture is a bad idea:

The unintended consequence of a U.S. policy that provides for the torture of prisoners is that it could be used by our adversaries as justification for the torture of captured U.S. personnel.

Correction. That’s the U.S. military’s Joint Personnel Recovery Agency describing the use of waterboarding and other “extreme duress” methods in a memo just tonight revealed by the Washington Post.

ADDING…

The JPRA entirely debunked Scarborough’s favorite ticking nuke 24 argument:

The requirement to obtain information from an uncooperative source as quickly as possible-in time to prevent, for example, an impending terrorist attack that could result in loss of life-has been forwarded as a compelling argument for the use of torture. Conceptually, proponents envision the application of torture as a means to expedite the exploitation process. In essence, physical and/or psychological duress are viewed as an alternative to the more time consuming conventional interrogation process. The error inherent in this line of thinking is the assumption that, through torture, the interrogator can extract reliable and accurate intelligence. History and a consideration of human behavior would appear to refute this assumption.

And another passage showing that the hands-off George Piro “rapport” approach works:

As noted previously, upwards of 90 percent of interrogations have been successful through the exclusive use of a direct approach, where a degree of rapport is established with the prisoner. Once any means of duress has been purposefully applied to the prisoner, the formerly cooperative relationship can not be reestablished. In addition, the prisoner’s level of resolve to resist cooperating with the interrogator will likely be increased as a result of harsh or brutal treatment.

90 percent effective. Versus torture — which is almost never effective.

This is undeniable evidence refuting a wide variety of the pro-torture arguments.

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  • AJ99

    The more we look, the more that is uncoveredFrom Glen Greenwaldhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/09/democrats/The Washington Post reports today that the Bush administration, beginning in 2002, repeatedly briefed leading Congressional Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees — including, at various times, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, and Jane Harman — regarding the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation methods,” including details about waterboarding and other torture measures. With one exception (Harman, who vaguely claims to have sent a letter to the CIA), these lawmakers not only failed to object to these policies, but affirmatively supported them.And efforts to apologize for what these Congressional Democrats have done by claiming that they “were virtually helpless to respond,” or suggesting that knowingly inconsequential expressions of private protest are somehow noble, are counter-productive. Why excuse or apologize for the profound failure of those who seek leadership positions on the Intelligence Committee — who, after all, are being briefed precisely because they are expected to act when they learn of illegal behavior — when they abdicate their responsibilities? That only encourages such malfeasance to continue.

  • D. C.

    Like I said before, the democrats were scare shitless after 9/11 with the belief that if they objected to anything Bush did to “keep us safe”, whether it worked or not. They were afraid that if there was a second 9/11, they’d be the ones who would take the blame.

  • ceu

    christ, what an asshole.that post didn’t get the desired result on the PTT so he/she/it posted it again.No one’s changing their minds on the illegality of torture. There’s no gray area here – it’s wrong, it’s immoral, it’s illegal, and it should be punished.

  • Eric

    What if the suspect dies in that 24 ticking time-bomb scenario from being tortured but before divulging the critical information?

  • http://www.xkcd.com/ • Silly Ratfaced Git •

    With the exception of Gene Robinson, I don’t consider the Washington Post as a reliable source of information. I have caught them printing stories that were blatantly wrong too many times. When they screw up stories about topics that I am an expert in, then I know I can’t trust them for topics I am not an expert in.I did not read the article that AJ99 refers to so I do not know what source for their information they claim. I assume it is multiple unnamed Bush Administration sources. If that is the case than I suspect that the sources are co-conspirators and that they lied.Nancy Pelosi is already on recored that she was not informed about waterboarding or any other specifics regarding ‘enhanced interrogation’. I will take her word rather than the WashPo sources.The BushCo criminal conspiracy has been caught in so many lies at this point I can’t imagine why our obviously retarded wrong winger would think that I would start believing anything said by anyone from that proven cabal of liars and criminals.Each passing day brings more evidence of lies and criminal activity.

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  • NorCalNative

    Imagine for a second, the powerful impact that a biological agent alarm going off in the White House on October 21, 2001 had on Vice President Dick Cheney.Dick was convinced that he was “infected” with something and immediately began taking Cipro and traveling with a physician. He also became very hard to find.Is it just possible (puts on tin foil hat) that our own intelligence agencies decided to scare the feces out of Cheney to get him moving?After all, an enemy capable of penetrating the White House with chemical weapons would be a potent adversary.Does this explain why Cheney and other top officials seemed to have a personal stake in making sure torture was carried out?Why else would they be so willing (and/or stupid) to have their handprints on this stuff? Just asking.