Morning Joe

Character is adhering to honor and the rule of law even when you are afraid, Joe.

Wow. I’m trying to remember what I was thinking on 9/12, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t “we need to do whatever we have to do to make sure this never happens again.” I was still shell shocked to be honest.And if I had said, “we need to do whatever we have to…” I’m pretty certain torture didn’t enter my mind as one of the possibilities because I thought my country was above that. Well, I suppose at the time we still were. Justice? Retribution? Sure, I wanted that. But that didn’t automatically mean breaking the law, compromising our moral standing in the world and shredding the Constitution in the process.

Doucheborough diligently defends demented dumbass douchebag designs due to his dastardly disposition.So the poltroon gets paid the big bucks for being a gutless pussy.What kind of American is this?He is worthy of no further comment.

I find all this “scared shitless” so interesting. I mean, I get it, on a level. But I live in NYC. And whenever I talk to people who don’t live here (particularly people from the middle of the country), their first question when they find out where I’m from is “aren’t you terrified of another attack?” And the answer is not really. Is it possible? Certainly. But that’s not what I or most of the people I know here spend time thinking about. I’ve just found it fascinating that people who were very far from ground zero–and live in places that are unlikely to see a direct attack from (foreign) terrorists–seem to think that they have a better understanding of what needs to be done than the places that were actually, you know, blown up.

Standard answer for these pricks when finally backed into a corner where their faux morality is exposed: Well you really think this way too but are lying.

There’s also the comeback I often received when intelligently exposing their duplicity: You’re an asshole.

Git,Brilliant, comprehensible alliteration! *applause*

Wait… did he just say ‘we need to blame ourselves’ about something? You mean…we need to blame America, Joe? Hey, is it okay for you to do it because you blamed other people first? Cos the real problem is blaming America first? Or is it that you just don’t think very hard about the things you believe, or listen very hard to the words coming out of your mouth?

Am I the only one who wasn’t scared or shocked by 9/11?I really wasn’t. I remember my mother was freaked out saying “we’re under attack” and I was thinking something along the lines of “yes terrorists are real they arent just in movies”I’m not sure if that says something about me at that time psychologicaly, but I still to this day dont understand the fear. Being afraid of terrorists is utterly pointless.

Oh, and Jon Meachem can shove that “self-righteousness” quote up his ass.

Ashby: how old were you at the time?

J M Ashby -

Being afraid of terrorists is utterly pointless.

I agree. You have a sensible outlook. I don’t waste my time worrying about things whose odds of occuring are astronomically against. It makes much more sense worrying about being in a car wreck, getting hit by lightening, or being injured by a tree falling in a hurricane. Those are all more likely to happen although the last two are long odds.People that worry about terrorist attacks have no ability to recognize legitimate threats. They have no problem with jumping in their SUV and yapping on their cellphones while driving 70 mph in the left lane of the interstate, but they are frightened shitless of bearded middle-easterners.This inability to correctly assess relative threat levels is used by propagandists such as Rove to lead the sheeple into the desired direction by feeding and manipulating the fears. Our host wrote a book about this.

IMHO what happened to the far-right crazy wingnuts like Joe Scarborough after 9/11, is that they became consumed, not with fear, but with a blinding hatred. They NEVER wanted justice-that was the furthest thing from their minds. All they wanted and all they could think about was vengeance. The same holds true for them today. Think about it. How many terrorists were brought to justice under the Bush Administration anyway?This on-going desire of the far-right conservatives to exact revenge instead of seeking justice, makes torture both tolerable and justified, and they will defend it no matter what.The on-line dictionary defines a “terrorist” as follows: “A radical who employs terror as a political weapon.” And terror is defined as follows: “Intense, overpowering fear.” If there is any truth to the saying that we tend to become that which we hate and fear the most, one can easily argue that we’re watching the far-right become what they so passionately hate by continuing to use fear as a weapon. Dick Cheney seems to have taken on the task of Terrorizer-In-Chief along with Rush Limbaugh.As Chris Matthews said last night, “That’s what the Republicans are…the party of torture and tax cuts. That’s all they’re selling.” I think Tweety might be right this time.

>>>Am I the only one who wasn’t scared or shocked by 9/11?>>>@JM, no you’re not. Neither was I, for some reason.

I want to see Morning Blow in a “stress position” or in solitary for months, forced to drink Ensure or live on a thousand calories a day with perhaps a little waterboarding 183 times in one month thrown in for good measure.Bet he wouldn’t be laughing so loud and making fun of people who were and probably are being tortured. He thinks it’s all a big joke.

how old was I on 9/11? I was 17 and attending community college If I remember right, its been some years.

Ensure – one sip and you’ll say anything……..

I had a daughter in Montreal and for a while, they closed the border. That made me frightened.I always felt from the beginning when bush was elected that we would go to war. When 9/11 happened, I was not surprised. I felt and said at the time I wondered if they let it happen, so we COULD go to war. That President would have taken us to war under any pretext.I have always believed that you do unto others as you have them do unto you.Never was for torture even after 9/11 and NEVER will be.