Why Can’t Obama Close the Deal?

Please leave it to people like Glenn Greenwald, who have both the brains and guts to not fawn all over someone who is – in the end – another person.Not a messiah.You are a coward, Cesca. Nothing but a coward.Please leave the progressive community alone by slinking away, like a good coward should.You’ll fawn on is my guess.I know you won’t post this, since I’ve defeated your lame IP check. I know you’ll read it though, since now you’ll manually have to verify posts.Coward.

Isn’t this an example of obfustication? It is a blatant attempt to confuse the issue. It’s that blame-the-victim mentality, only in this instance it’s blame the one trying to expose and solve the problem, but ignore and excuse those that created it and should be held accountable for it.

I agree that this is not another post game show. However, I agree with Boehlert’s point. All I have heard from the talking heads is how this effects Obama’s administration. I’ve heard little to no discussion about the administration that broke and ignored well established laws. Have we really put the previous administration into a lucite embedment so as to preserve the lustre of their carefully crafted and fabricated public image? Why are they tiptoeing around the obvious? If this had been Clinton’s administration that ignored the Constitution, international and federal laws would the coverage be similar? If not, why not?

Bob Cesca a coward? I don’t see that.Perhaps you should be more specific Gary.I think highly of Cesca *and* Greenwald.There are no messiah worshipers here.You buy into whatever bogus talking points they feed you don’t you?Have you ever had an original thought?BTW, I am a socialist atheist and I am every bit as much an American as you. I am tired of you fascists trying to claim that socialists are not Americans.

Great comment, Gary. Maybe next time you should actually address the issue brought up in the post, instead of a ad hominem troll fly by, you gutless sack of shit.

This is another “reframing” game for the GOP.Any person you talk to will see this for what it is: the GOP is trying to make Obama look bad for something Bush did. The real problem is the Left is playing along and hanging Obama for not moving forward with prosecutions instead of first ramping up the noise against the GOP for support of this.Classic example of how the left doesn’t know how to win.Obama is 100% right on this. He cannot close the deal without support behind him and all of the left is stupidly allowing Obama (the person that actually did the right thing in releasing the memos) get burned. They should be rallying up support for him in releasing the memos while reminding him that he should move forward with prosecutions.Unfortunately, they are only doing the latter.

I know you won’t post this, since I’ve defeated your lame IP check.

Wow. The Luke Skywalker of IP Checking, ladies and gentleman. And, yet, he graced us, mere liberals, with his presence. What fortuitous day is this, O’ Lord?!

Gary Summary: “I don’t like you. I dare you to post this!!”Lame

@ChrisI think it’s important to remember that the media world is not the same as the real world. There are many things that are very different with the environment in which the GOP is trying to reframe. Look at their approval ratings. Its just not working. We have the gift of a “foil” in Obama to the Bush administration, which gives the people a perspective. All the while, the media is losing their credibility with those who still trust them. Trust me, Obama is not losing any sleep over the “framing” of this argument. The truth is just too clear.

So Gary says we worship the scary Obama socialist communist fascist DEMOCRAT.However, Chris K. says we don’t support him enough.I support Obama nearly all the time until he says stupid things like we’ll ignore out laws because it’s too much trouble to look back. I demand justice. Violations of our laws and constitution can not be ignored or else we are as lawless and despicable as the terrorists we claim to despise.You can’t turn the page and move forward until you’ve cleaned up the current mess. I’ll continue to hold the Obama administration’s feet to the fire on this issue.I don’t care what the wrong wing propagandists are saying. They have already proven to be lowlife criminal enabling scumbags. Their opinion is not worth my consideration since the only opinions they have are the opinions they are paid to have. I don’t consult with whores on important decissions although I might consult them on choice of whine.I don’t see how we can ramp up the noise against the GOP any more than we have. We call these propaganda spewing fucktards every name we can think of in addition to pointing out that there logic is flawed at best and totally nonexistent at worst. We routinely eviscerate their arguments and point out their blatant lies and stupidity.So what else are we supposed to do? I’m not going to kiss Obama’s ass, since that won’t help with anything.

@Silly Ratfaced Git (Funny Name, LOL)I can see Obama’s position. Take this for instance:We go forward with trials and/or investigations and the trials/hearings happen around June/July. Anything Obama tries to get done (with legislation or executive orders) is overshadowed by the “latest” developments in the trials. Similar to what happened with the OJ Simpson trials where the news gets stuck on the same track.On top of that, this issue forces people (both politicians and Americans) to take sides. Do you support the US Government using a gloves-off approach to handling dangerous people/regimes or not?The issue will divide us and it will then be extremely hard to pass any healthcare/climate/efca legislation.I would like an investigation but I also see Obama’s dilemma.@jjasonham100% agreed. The reframing game isn’t working and just makes them look more stupid and evil to support policies like this.

Chris K.I understand his position aw well. Unfortunately, criminal acts by your government is that last thing you walk away from while looking at the ceiling and whistling. No one is above the law and Cheney and Rove need to be taught that.This has nothing to do with revenge. This is simply asking that our laws be enforced against everyone, equally. Bush was big on executing convicted murderers. I am big on convicting acts of treason.President Obama also said he did not want to re-litigate this issue. I’d like to know when it was litigated. You have to litigate before you can re-litigate. I don’t consider the activities of a criminal conspiracy hiding behind a state secret curtain to be a litigation. Criminal act yes. Litigation no.If we do nothing to punish this travesty, God help us if these assholes ever control the White House again. Their blatant disregard for the law is stunning.

Slightly OT: Someone the story about the “right-wing extremists” has turned into Janet Napolitano being asked to apologize/resign. And rarely–very rarely–does any article quote the actual report, just Fox News spin on the report. And they basically never mention the fact that this was a) ordered by the BUSH administration (long, loooooong before Janet N was anywhere near this job) and b) that similar reports about left-wing groups have been released. Your liberal media at work, ladies and gents.