Pragmatism

The president isn’t going to do everything we want him to do. Sometimes — gasp! — he’ll do exactly the opposite of what we want him to do.

That doesn’t mean he’s exactly like George W. Bush. Or that he’s betraying us.

I don’t claim to know the political reasons why the president seems to have reversed his position on tribunals, state secrets or the torture pictures. But I do know that he has to operate in a political world where Republicans and the insufferable “conservadems” are obstructing his nominees and attempting to sabotage his agenda. Therefore, he has to set priorities and make occasional concessions, despite the congressional majority.

As the president said recently, the ship of state is not unlike a battleship and it takes a long time to turn a corner. So while the tribunals will continue, Guantanamo is being closed and the process is being reformed. While he didn’t release the torture photos, they might eventually be released anyway — plus, he banned torture outright and there will very likely be investigations of some sort. Wide turn ratio, but the tide is still — well, you know.

At the same time, it’s clear that the discipline of the campaign has continued in the White House. He has a very specific agenda and is admirably struggling like hell to keep it on track. For instance, killing “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” (DADT) might not happen tomorrow, but that doesn’t mean he won’t reverse it — when the time is right.

So knowing that the ship of state takes a long time to turn; and that he operates in a political world; and that he’s sticking with his agenda, I’ve been asking myself: Would I rather have serious credit card reform or the torture photos? Would I rather have a public option for healthcare or the cessation of tribunals? Yes, yes, yes, he should be able to do both. But don’t forget: this is Washington and broader “change” isn’t as easy as putting a hammer to a nail.

Both Thom Hartmann and Bill Maher (separately) noted on Friday that the president has accomplished some hugely important goals and, save for a two or three, hired a seriously great crew. For every disturbing WTF decision, there are at least three or four accomplishments worth our collective applause. (I’d like to go through the last 100 days or so and calculate the exact ratio.)

One way or another, I’ll be accused of being all worshippy, but I assure you, that’s not the case. In fact, I think I’m being pragmatic and realistic. And I’m worried that too many liberals and progressives aren’t seeing the forest for the trees and will therefore become unnecessarily disillusioned with what’s going on — most importantly, I’m worried about where that disillusionment leads.

We’re not going to get everything we want, but we are, in fact, getting a lot.

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  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    Thank you Bob… for voicing things I couldn’t and have tried.I keep saying why do we really need right now to see more pictures.. we know they tortured. If anyone needs to see the pictures let them come out in the hearings and be used as evidence. Not in the papers and on TeeVee where they are going to be blurred for the most part anyway.As for the Tribunals, at least the detainees, as they call them are going to get some kind of hearing or trial. Some of those people have been held for years with nothing done for them. No, I don’t feel sorry for some of them, they are terrorist, but some of them don’t deserve to be there. They were children when they were picked up and locked up and should never have been.I just want them to get a fair hearing if that is possible, no matter how it is done.

  • Carol

    Thank you Bob we need to keep our eyes on the big picture.

  • http://www.broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl™

    Bob, I completely agree. I wrote this on my blog a couple of days ago:

    I’m going to expect President Obama to prioritize and try and get something done for the near future. There will be enough independent investigation without Obama looking like he’s out for partisan blood. The last thing we need is self sabotage by initializing investigations that will be misconstrued as partisan witch hunts which can derail his agenda by Day 114. I have to give him that time. I voted for change, but I’m realistic enough to know that change doesn’t happen overnight… or over 114 nights.

  • kansasdem

    Very, very true!Look, I’m far, far left. Like Kucinich left!So, obviously, I’m not going to be happy with every move Obama makes, but in comparison to the last 8 years …………………..Nuff said!

  • GItheJOE

    I know this might sound selfish, but I am getting what I voted for “ENDING THE IRAQ WAR”.This one is very important to me.

  • http://oneceltsview.blogspot.com/ Wolfe Tone

    Bob,While I don’t expect Obama to do everything I want him to, there are some serious WTF moments happening.

  • Rob Gomez

    I have to completely agree with you on your posting. With barely 100 days into his administration, President Obama has accomplished far more than any other president I can recall in my lifetime. With so much accomplished within a relatively short period of time, there are going to be those individuals, groups and organizations that feel as if he hasn’t done enough.The fact that the far right is livid and seething and hell bent on seeing Obama fail or catching him in a “Gotcha” moment is par for the course. The GOP is weak and crippled and licking it’s wounds at the moment. That’s to be expected. The fact that the far left isn’t too happy with Obama either, tells me that he is on the right track.Obama is intelligent, wise and brilliant when pressed against a troublesome issue and his detractors or nay sayers. He doesn’t pander to any specific cause, group or organization. He makes decisions that encompass the American People as a whole. That, unfortunately, is a biting truth that stings when we have to face the fact that those detractors and naysayers are part of the same quilt that Obama has to stitch delicately into his tenure as POTUS.Will we get everything now? No. But eventually, I believe, President Obama will uphold the Constitution and retract anything that may have tarnished it over the past several years. For the first time, in quite a long time I feel confident. Confident that my, as well as the country’s best interest will be looked after by the skinny kid from Chicago with a funny name.It’s a very difficult balancing act that he has undertaken. We voted for change and we’re getting it. LIke a master plate spinner, I trust he’ll put each one down at the end and say, “Ta Da!” Or at least I continue to hope.This site is AWESOME by the way.

  • eve

    Thank you for some sanity.How can we expect anyone to always do exactly what we would do? I never expected I would always agree with the president. I voted for him because I think he has the character and intelligence to lead the country.As you said, he has done so much already.Let’s not forget that demanding complete adherence at all times to ideology is what is sinking the repubs. I don’t want us to be so stupid as to follow their lead.

  • Elizabeth

    I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that the President has a lot more information that the rest of us. I continue to believe that he has our backs. It is just going to take some time.What we cannot have is Obama as a one term President. I sometimes think that we are too blithe in our assumption that he will be governing for eight years.If going slow keeps him in the White House for an additional four years, I am all for it.

  • ceu

    I’ve been thinking about the tribunals…A lot of those who have been brought before judges have had the charges dismissed. Per this article judges have ordered the release of 25 prisoners in the 29 cases that have so far been heard. (note – not enough cases have been heard!!) That’s a pretty interesting thing…If charges are being dismissed, prisoners being released because virtually all the evidence against them is hearsay, innuendo, and statements obtained under duress, and Obama has said that that type of evidence will no longer be used, it stands to reason that the vast majority of the prisoners will be released. That’s the objective, right? To get those who should not be being held released?What does Obama get out of it? He quiets the “terrorists will be running loose on our streets” gang. He gets the far-left wackos (that would be us) stirred up & is seen as not being “controlled” by his base. The prisoners are released fairly quietly – IF they are released, IF there is somewhere for them to go. And the JUDGES are the ones who released them, not the Obama Admin. AND the main objective is realized.I hope I’m right….

  • http://www.bobcesca.com Bob Cesca

    Wolfe wrote:>>>While I don’t expect Obama to do everything I want him to, there are some serious WTF moments happening.Only if you look at each situation at face value, and not in the context of 1) politics, and 2) everything that’s been accomplished.What if, for instance, the only way to successfully pass credit card reform is to appease the demands of certain centrist senators by not releasing the torture photos? I’m not saying that’s the case, but it’s this sort of quid pro quo that our political system is based upon.

  • http://www.windonwater.net QueenTiye

    I read Glenn Greenwald’s take on tribunals, and was (as usual) heartily disappointed. I guess Greenwald must be considered an activist, and therefore must have a myopic viewpoint. Looking at what he writes with that in mind will keep me from mistaking his positions as ones I should expect reasonableness from.The president inherited a mess, and now has to sort it out. The people rounded up in various CIA siges are some of them innocent (but likely radicalized as a result of their experiences), some of them guilty by association (which is something I’m not comfortable with, but I can see how in a “war on terror” we might not want to be too nice about it), and some of them actual terrorists. Sorting that out and actually rendering justice and safety for the American people most likely requires some kinds of extra processes because of the unanticipated way people were rounded up in the first place.When I look at the substantive changes the President is making to the tribunal process, I have a hard time understanding Greenwald’s intractability on the subject. YES, it’s different from what candidate Obama said he was going to do. But candidate Obama was not PRESIDENT, and didn’t get daily secruity briefings.QT

  • http://www.bobcesca.com Bob Cesca

    Queen wrote:>>>When I look at the substantive changes the President is making to the tribunal process, I have a hard time understanding Greenwald’s intractability on the subject.Glenn and many others in the liberal tubes were never that into President Obama in the first place and are holding him to a false standard. Yes, the president is the most liberal chief executive perhaps since FDR. But he’s not a netroots liberal. This is a label superimposed on him by talk radio, cable news and the Republicans. But for some reason, and despite thousands of accurate descriptions of the president as a pragmatist, Glenn and a few others are expecting him to line up with netroots positions.

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    I hate to oversimplify it, but to me this is just like people getting hyped up for the big summer blockbuster and then they see it and are dissapointed. They’ve heard about it all year long and its suppose to be the best thing since sliced bread!People have unrealistic expectations and set themselves up for dissapointment. I think on a subconcious level a lot of people do this on purpose so they can then have something to write or complain about.I will be eternally grateful that he is our president right now and not John McCain and Sarah Palin.

  • http://oneceltsview.blogspot.com/ Wolfe Tone

    Bob,I spent a fair number of years in the 80′s and 90′s working for one of the actual leaders in the Alaska Legislature, I certainly understand how politics works.Accomplishing something through a political process is similar to making sausages: You might enjoy the final product, but watching the process very closely may turn your stomach.I’m willing to give Obama a chance. In the meantime, I’m trying to find some sort of underlying logic in actions that seem to be (as you said, at face value) inexplicable.I’m really not what one would call “The outraged left.”But I do find myself saying WTF? now and then… and hoping that it will make sense to all of us in due time.

  • Hector

    Well said. We’re going in the right direction and that’s what’s important.

  • http://cousinavi.wordpress.com cousinavi

    “Well said, Bob!”"Mmmf mmmnf mmmnf mnf!”"I SAID, ‘WELL SAID, BOB!”"MMmf MMMnf MMmNF mnf!”(pulling Cesca’s head out of Obama’s ass)I said, ‘well said, Bob.’ Good bit. I like it, and agree with you.”"Oh. I couldn’t hear you.”/i keed i keed

  • idreamofskiba

    Thanks, Bob. This is exactly what I have been thinking, but am too inarticulate to put it into words.

  • JDS

    This is so sane I am not sure it belongs on the Internet.. judging from so much I have been reading. This post and the comments I read here are very reassuring.It is not easy to see in a blog/news overview,but there are lots of smart people who realize there is no magic, and President Obama is doing his best in so many situations that are true dilemmas.

  • NorCalNative

    Those of you who don’t understand Glenn Greenwald’s position seem to live in a fantasy world. Pragmatism is not the second-best thing to the Constitution and the rule-of-law.People, wake the fuck up! Right now, we don’t have a President, but a Constitutional Dictator. Just because you think he’s benevolent is freaking meaningless.Is it really a fringe position to expect elected officials to uphold their oaths to defend the Constitution?

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    NorCal – The only one living in a fantasy world is you. What exactly are you expecting? Anything less than your own personal agenda just doesn’t cut it?Is he suppose to transform the country back into what it was 230 years ago? Is he suppose to do that overnight? Is he suppose to split the red sea and cure cancer while hes got Blue Dogs and Wingnuts doing everything they can to obstruct the process?Your proclaiming that Obama is violating the constitution is deffinantly a fringe position and makes you look like a wingnut. You may as well go to the curb and wave a big meaningless sign with the teabaggers.

  • NorCalNative

    Re: J M AshbyThe Constitution says that international treaties are the Supreme Law of the land. If this President/Constitutional Dictator does not prosecute those who have committed war crimes he is not upholding his duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.That’s one example where Obama is flip-flopping against his Constitutional duties. And, by the way, have you actually even read the Constitution?

  • http://zirgar.blogspot.com/ ZIRGAR

    Bob, did you happen to read this National Review article that claims Mr. Obama’s position changes on certain issues are less cases of political pragmatism and are in fact mere Alinsky-like power acquisition maneuvers? I don’t buy it. I mean, let’s say it’s true–what politician isn’t about consolidating his or her power and grabbing more? So what? That’s what any and all politicians do to some extent. Politics does make for strange bedfellows, so of course some things will be reversed and others will happen in due time, but this guy Geraghty paints Mr. Obama like he’s the only person who ever did this kind of thing. He’s a politician! I’m impressed with Mr. Obama nonetheless, and I think he has made some concessions, yes, maybe to consolidate some power, but also to be pragmatic. I guess if you’re influenced by Saul Alinsky you’re not allowed any kind of benefit of the doubt in these kind of matters. You certainly won’t get any from anyone on the right, no matter what, since they seek to make everything into some kind of devious plot. Tilt at too many windmills and you might get clipped, I say.

  • http://homepage.mac.com/wildlifeweb/bird/flamingo/honolulu/flamingo01.jpg veralynn

    I would say NorCal, it is up to the Department of Justice to sort out who should be prosecuted. What seems to be a disturbing legacy from the previous idiot administration, is that the Attorney General decides these matters, not the President. After bushco, I can see how some would think it is Obama’s constitutional duty to say who should be investigated/prosecuted. For all but 8 years, that has not been the case in this country.I agree on your main premise that Obama does need to tell Congress to make laws, effective immediately, that restores the constitutional balance between the Executive branch and the Legislature. He also needs to reverse any and all Executive Orders bush wrote into law that gives him extraordinary powers as CiC.I think President Obama is handling things very well considering the mess that he inherited. Of course, I will not agree on everything he does, but I have much more faith in him to govern within the constitutional limits.

  • chauncey1186

    @NorCalNativeYou seem to be under the misassumption that it’s the President’s job to prosecute those who committed these war crimes. It is in fact the Attorney General’s job to do so and to do so impartially and without a political agenda. If Obama jumped into the fray and insisted the AG prosecute, how long do you think it would take for the wingnuts to start hollering that he is playing partisan politics?Mark my words, there will be a reckoning, but our President must not be seen as trying to “take down” the previous administration. There are plenty of folks who are more than capable of doing that. We have no idea what wheels of justice are currently turning behind the scenes. Be patient, it took years for the Watergate mess to be cleaned up and it may take just as long for the torture mess to be cleaned up as well. Just because you aren’t seeing anything happening, doesn’t mean there aren’t things in the works.

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    norCal – It is the responsability of the justice department to prosecute, not the office of the presidency.And im no lawyer, but Im pretty sure you dont persue a case until you are prepared for it.Its been 4 months and this scandal will probably take years to fully unravel.

  • http://www.osborneink.com Matt Osborne

    I have no problem with Obama not releasing pictures as long as he does not hold back any documents.

  • JJ

    Wolf Tone-You said-”there are some serious WTF moments happening”In this you voice your concern over the nomination of Ignacia Moreno, counsel of corporate environmental programs at General Electric Corp., to serve as assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s Environment and Natural Resources Division. The opposite function of what this person has been doing historically, and you wonder WTF.So take a look at what GE spent- $4.26 million on lobbying —that’s $46,304 each day, including weekends, Thanksgiving and Christmas. In 2008, the company spent a grand total of $18.66 million on lobbying.To PPP’s continual point, this could be some of the payback for the money GE spent. And by the way, I don’t like it anymore than you do.

  • Lexaburn

    Our supposed blind optimism is exactly what the dreaded Republicons are banking on. The rub for them is some of us are always banking on theirs, as well. They need people to be upset with the Dems, in genral, before they can go after President Obama. They count on the “liberal” swine media to convey their confounded messages based on petty political minutia. They believe the whole nation is full of dullards like those that buy the “fair and balanced” label slapped on FNC. They are fools.I, for one, know damned well why I voted for Barack Hussein Obama, and the reasons have little to do with any of the issues constantly being raised in sensational manner in order to obstruct his agenda.Did we not hear a level-headed man on the campaign trail, people? I know some people thought they were listening to a a savior, but I heard a public servant willing to do his part for the good of the nation. That was all I was looking for. I’ve understood since Bush Jr. got in that there would be a bunch of shit for the Democratic Party to clean up after 4 to 8 years, especially after the kerfuffle that went down during the 2000 election. Are some of us dense enough to forsake the fact that the GOP had eight-damned-years to fuck shit up? Do we not understand that the so-called “Fourth Estate” is no longer in business of actually informing intellectually, but to entertain the most base instincts within its viewers. From the preening imbeciles they hire to read pap to the supermarket tabloid-styled, sensationalized reporting, the swine are not our intellectual benefactors, unless we like to eat from the trough like they do.These are just some of the forces attempting to guide America to a decline. They’ve been fostering this, I believe, since the mid-80s. I was too young to notice it all back then, but I do see it now. The bastards are nefariously attempting to coach America into second or even third-class status. Look all around you, and you’ll see.In the end, I do feel that blood will eventually be spilled over the nonsense being perpetrated on this nation. It’s what has to happen. President Obama and his dealings with the environment of Washington D.C. will be the least of our concerns. I do believe that we need to save our strength. If we jump on each and every issue that the swine media swabs and the political scalawags want us to jump up for, we’ll be exhausted by the time a true battle comes.

  • allincompassing

    After having read Bob’s commentary and all of your comments. I’m really glad that somewhere in the Worldwide Web, reasonable minds do exist. I too reside in Norcal, none of the Presidents actions resemble anything that remotely appears to be a dictatorial attack on the constitution.I’m probably a little older than most of you(50), therefore a little less inclined to kneejerk excitement about one political topic, or another. Pragmatism, is not generally based on limited partisan viewpoints. Traditionally it takes into account the entire scope of activities inherent within any issue. I hope we can all agree that, for the first time in many years, we have a president that isn’t afraid to consider alternate viewpoints prior to making a decision that is in everyone’s best interest. This is a marked step forward from the self proclaimed Decider-in-Chief.As Bob mentioned, look at the body of work, it’s not everything a liberal would like, but it’s absolutely more than liberals have seen, in a very long time. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. A military tribunal that is fair, expedient, moral and based within the judicial confines of the law. Is so much more than we’ve seen over the last 8 years. Do we want more, of course. It’s the American way.

  • ceu

    The opposite function of what this person has been doing historically, and you wonder WTF.Well…not entirely, jj. The work for GE does not represent her entire professional career. Per an employee recognition speech by Bill Richardson in 1999, she served as “the Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General of the Environment and Natural Resources Division of the U.S. Department of Justice. Ms. Moreno, a proven litigator, has helped develop, implement and enforce domestic and international environmental policy. Since 1994, she has overseen numerous policy issues that contribute to the improvement of the environment and benefit the Hispanic community.”

  • http://www.xkcd.com/ ∇•B=0  Silly Ratfaced Git  ∇•D=ρ

    Thank you for the information ceu. That just reduced the WTF feeling a lot.

  • gypsy

    well, this is an interesting thread considering some of you were foaming at the mouth a couple days ago over obama not releasing the photos.

  • gypsy

    that was a bitchy comment by me. sorry. i really wish we could delete and edit. but i’m standing by my comment. why the sudden turn around for some of you?

  • http://oneceltsview.blogspot.com/ Wolfe Tone

    Git,I admit, ceu’s info relieves my nervousness a bit.As I remarked to ceu in another venue: During the confirmation hearings we’ll all get more and better information.Maybe my WTF? feelings will be mollified.Unless the GOP loves the hell out of her… then I’ll be nervous all over again. Heh.

  • ceu

    yeah, agreed. If they love her, that would definitely help me form an opinion.And, Gypsy? If that was your version of bitchy, we’ve got some work to do with you. :)

  • Nora Fitzpatrick

    This was a spectacular piece.I would like to see Dick Cheney held accountable more than anyone. And he deserves to be. But there is so much more to do… healthcare most importantly, and all the other things the President talked about during the campaign. Starting in on this stuff would derail everything else and it would become so political. The republicans would love it.