Prime Time Thread

I’m back, baby! And glad to be home.

Carlos!Good to have you back.I hope you had a relaxing time.

Welcome back mister Carl.I really love Ed Shultz show. But why on earth does he have Tancredo on there? Having someone on with an opposing viewpoint is good but atleast have someone who isn’t rude to the other folks appearing on the show.

Git -had a great time. Thanks.Ashby – Thanks. It’s one thing to have an opposing viewpoint, but that doesn’t mean it’s a valid one. Too many times on this show and Tweety’s, the opposition is just a talking points dittohead repeating lies. For once I’d like an honest debate instead of denial when faced with the facts.

The corporatist doesn’t understand that there are only a very small number of credit card companies now. They have all merged into one big greedy fuck the sheeple corporatist orgasmatron. Yes, they are all abusing their customers. The only way to not be abused by your credit card company is to not have a credit card. Fucking corporate shill scum.

Other than that I have no strong opinions.

I personally have not been physically abused by my credit card company (Capitol One) but I know others that have. I don’t use mine that much though so maybe im not worth abusing.Ive got a friend and she has 2 kids and she got into debt and instead of helping her pay it off the company doubled her rates and she ended up having to go to a 3rd party to help her settle her debt.

Git-you do make me laughWelcome Back Carl!

Hey Carlos..welcome back…you were missed…did you have fun?

my hand on a precious newborn puppy, if michael vick is allowed to continue his football career i will get life for killing his ass (and the fuckers that allow it) in cold premeditated murder!

What kind of puppy Gypsy?

BC -The wrong wing has a distinct inability to debate anymore. All they do is mindlessly spout talking points.They have become the powerpointillism brigade.We don’t write essays or novels, instead everything is a powerpoint presentation. We love those outlines of talking points.It’s why they have no answers. Everything is based on the superficiality of the talking points. You want depth, go elsewhere.They have spent decades solving infrastructure problems with a coat of paint. The underlying problems are still there but it looks nicer.They are all about appearance and the superficial. Substance is of no concern. Try to talk about substance and they change the topic.We see this everywhere. They are followers with no leader. The puppets have no puppeteer.

btw…hey carl, how was myrtle beach? that place growing up was my second home. literally. i know it is one of the arm pits of the south but i will stand up for my myrtle all day errday.

a cute little rescue puppy ash.

he got offered a job gyps, with an arena football league. The offer gives him some regular arena money and he must donate $100,000.00 to the local animal shelter. His lawyer did not comment on the offer.Hey-bright side! I just realized that since the Panthers just gave the current lame QB a new $40 million contract. they won’t grab Vick like I thought they might. Whew, I do feel a bit better about Delhomme now. Thanks gyps!Having said that, I will drive.

PUPPY BREATH!!!sorry about the caps, but you all know how I LOVE puppy breath!!

which arena team vera?

Michael Moore wrote a great piece in Time’s 100 on Bernie Madoff. As I flipped through, I nearly vomited in my mouth when I read the one Glen Beck wrote for Rush Limbaugh…. be forewarned.

I don’t remember. I will see if I can find it. I don’t even remember where I read it.

Glad that you are back Carl, now if GI the Jerk would dare show his face I will promptly bitch slap you, Git, and Beetle Bailey all at once for the trifecta of lib bashing.

Beck on Limbaugh”His career serves as the most successful stimulus package in radio history. All without a government dime.”

Vick Arena Football Offerthere you go gyps

This is the fundamental flaw of Authoritarianism. It is undesirable for people to think for themselves, they have leaders to tell them what to think.Our wrong wing is currently lacking a leader. There are hoards of wrong wingers running around without a leader to tell them what to think, so they are using Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. as their leader. Someone must fill the vacuum since these people never learned to think for themselves.Since Limbaugh is a fuckwit, the entire wrong wing now sounds like a bunch of fuckwits.

Silly-Oh, thanks I didn’t know that. I was wondering why we slober all the time, and why our knuckles drag on the ground.

I won’t hold my breath Bruce the wombat molester.

R&TI meant to tell you that your ‘Ya vole’ line made me laugh. You got points for that one plus extra points for cleverness.

Quoting Glenn Beck to validate Rush Limbaugh is like quoting Jeffrey Dahmer as a way of validating John Wayne Gacy.

I thought you might like the fuckwit humor. I’ll take the point, cause we’re behind in points right now.

Wolfe -I usually despise analogies but you nailed that one.

Your nym exposes that you do have a sense of humor. That is at least a basis for common ground.

Wolfe Tone-”Michael Moore wrote a great piece in Time’s 100 on Bernie Madoff. As I flipped through, I nearly vomited in my mouth when I read the one Glen Beck wrote for Rush Limbaugh…. be forewarned.”Just a quote from this……..

RockandTroll -Carl and I (Others too, I suspect) are trying to understand why the opposition on TV only appear able to recite talking points and don’t actually debate anything. This is something that we have observed for quite some time now.My previous posts were a theory I have developed to explain this behavior. I don’t know that the theory is correct, but it does account for the observed behavior.I am open to other explanations.

Silly-Who are you referring to on TV? Can you give me an example of the “talking points’?

Oh, thanks I didn’t know that. I was wondering why we slober all the time, and why our knuckles drag on the ground.We’ve been trying to figure out the same thing.Glad that you are back Carl, now if GI the Jerk would dare show his face I will promptly bitch slap you, Git, and Beetle Bailey all at once for the trifecta of lib bashing.

Thanks, Travis. But you know that will never happen. GO TORTURE! WOOHOO!RockandTroll… you’re quoting Beck now? Wow, I was only gone for four days and it’s come to this…CM – had a great time in Myrtle Beach. I could smell the smoke during the late nights and on the last day when it was overcast and didn’t get a chance to burn off.Gypsy – I stayed at the hotel with Ocean Annie’s by the pool. I’m sure you’ve been there. I missed everyone here as well… except for Travis.

1. We don’t need to regulate credit card companies. It’s a free market. If you don’t like your change in rate, change companies.

Broadway Carl-your Delta Tau Chi name is Broadway Snarl

He was asked a question, that is what he said.He was asked another question, that is what he said.Someone else went into great detail on why the regulation was needed. He repeated the TP.As he had the fact that *all* of the credit card companies were raising rates with no warning, He shouted the TP overtop of the other person speaking.He was a rude, ignorant, talking point dispensing shill for the credit card industry posing as a member of the House. I think his name was Tancredo.

Silly-I didn’t see it, and can’t find a reference to it right now, and I don’t know who this Tancredo is either.I agree with you that just repeating the same TP is usually of little value. You should be able to defend your position, if the opportunity is there to do so. Again, without seeing the actual exchange, my experience is that people keep repeating things if they believe the listener is not grasping the main talking point, which in this case I would think would be, free market = little/no regulation. Or, he could just be a dickhead.

Nothing. Just smiling at Silly and RaT.QT

Welcome back, Carl! You have been missed.

Thanks, Kat.

I wish I had a puppy. Lucky Gypsy.Loyalty Day? That must have been kept a secret by the conservatives. It’s always been May day to me.Virginia Foxx continues to be a liar and a gay bashing bigot.In other news, we also nearly starved detainees. The CIA should change it’s name to Secret State Police. (Geheime Staatspolizei aka Gestapo)

“PRE-BAMA” HAHAHAHAHAH

Silly-I have a nominee for your list of “shameless corporatists”"Al Gore, along with ex-Goldman Sach exec, David Blood, has founded Generation Investment Management. They currently have over $1bb under management and claim that returns are well above their benchmarks”The products???”Makes products for hybrid-electric vehicles.”http://stockpickr.com/port/Al-Gore-Generation-Investment-Management/

I don’t think you understand what a corporatist is.See Corporatism at the wacky wiki.

In particular, this part:

In popular usage

Contemporary popular (as opposed to social science) usage of the term is more pejorative, emphasizing the role of business corporations in government decision-making at the expense of the public. The power of business to affect government legislation through lobbying and other avenues of influence in order to promote their interests is usually seen as detrimental to those of the public. In this respect, corporatism may be characterized as an extreme form of regulatory capture, and is also termed corporatocracy, a form of plutocracy. If there is substantial military-corporate collaboration it is often called militarism or the military-industrial complex.

“emphasizing the role of business corporations in government decision-making at the expense of the public”Big Business & Al Gore linked togetherAl Gore is political/ GovernmentAl Gore very instrumental in advancing a global warming agendaGovernment decision making has been affectedThe public will pay.It fits

hah – evening all

whoa quiet tonight ….

Hey, Caped Shitheader! How goes things? Did you see the liveblogging of Bill Maher by Elvis & Redmond on the other thread? Good Stuff!I have a new-2-me car! It’s a 2004 PT Cruiser (ok, everyone tease me now, but I love it). It’s about time, my last car lasted 10 years & had 180,000. Plus we got financing! Huzzah!! It’s electric blue & I’m getting flames painted on the side!!

Hello, is this thing on? Any hippies awake back in corporate criminal land?

Hey RockandTroll, I’m laughing my tuchis off at your Delta names (esp. Broadway Snarl) and Vole. De Animal House is one of my all-time favorite films…”Hey! Guess what I am!!”

Herro Emsique! How was your wife’s birthday? Did she like the at-home wear that you picked out?

I have a NEW used car!!! See up thread– Its electric blue!!Gyps– Is the pup yours, or are you doing puppy foster care?

Seems they had an earthquake in CA. does anyone care?

Feh. Is everyone in the kitchen getting cheesy snacks & making rum-based blender drinks?!?

Animal House was filmed in my old home town, Eugene, Oregon, at the University of Oregon, once a hotbed of major sedition in the 60′s and early 70′s. Students rioted and burned the ROTC building the week of the first Earth Day. Whee!The parade was filmed in Cottage Grove the place of my birth.Belushi’s best film by far! Tom Hulce- from Animal House to Amadeus to obscurity!

Hi Minx! Birthday togs were a big hit! Been getting serious quality time with great frequency since.

Where was this, ceu? I can’t find anything on CNN.com.

How ’bout them senators backing the banks on the foreclosure bill? I’m considering trashing my credit and stopping payments on my credit card. I think they would have a tough time collecting from me way over here.

Dinky 4.0 earthquake near LA. It’s like rain in Seattle.

RockandTroll,So, what you’re saying is that Big Al is profiting from his Global Warming agenda?I wonder how many more are doing the same.Governments? Scientists? Politicians taking bribes? HUM…….

“Big Business & Al Gore linked together”Big Business? A venture capital company is not exactly big business. IBM is big business. Lockheed Martin is big business. Northrup Grumman is big business.”Generation Investment Management. They currently have over $1bb under management and claim that returns are well above their benchmarks”The products???”Makes products for hybrid-electric vehicles.”"Sounds like a venture capital company investing in hybrid car technology startups. Sounds like an excellent idea. I wish I had money to invest in it.”Al Gore is political/ Government”Al Gore is a private citizen. He can do whatever he wants. He can hire lobbyists if he wants. If you think that Al Gore may not run a venture capital business just because he was once vice president then I want the same restrictions placed on Cheney.”Al Gore very instrumental in advancing a global warming agenda”Yes, because our government completely ignored the Science and denied there is a problem. Al Gore spent his own money getting the word out. Which part of freedom of speech don’t you grok.There is no doubt that AGW is real. The science has been in for some time. We don’t ignore science so that we can rape the planet anymore. Get used to it.

I wonder……..If some of the leading Politians go into “Big Global Warming” after thier days on capital hill, would it seem unproper, or unethical?

Big Al knows that Big Oil has blocked investments in companies trying to make cars tht don’t run on oil.He’s putting his money were his mouth is. What he is doing is called free market capitalism. We see what you so call conservatives really are. You aren’t interested in free markets really. You want the markets to stay exactly as they are.You think that it is appropriate for Big Oil to block technology that will make them obsolete. You don’t understand that when you allow such behavior, you don’t have a free market. You have a plutocracy.You imbeciles are cheerleaders for what is killing us all. Rampant runaway plutocracy.When a real free market guy comes along and invests in the next big thing, you ridicule him and smear him.You imbeciles are pathetic twatwaffles.

blue dildo -If some ex vice president goes back to being the president of Halliburton after shoveling a myriad of nobid billion dollar contracts at them, would that be improper or unethical?Your insinuations are asinine. Name a single that Al Gore has broken.You can’t because he hasn’t broken any laws.I wouldn’t start pointing fingers after the most criminal administration ever just left office. The evidence against them has built up to where it can’t be ignored. Condi Rice just implcated herself in the criminal conspiracy. I thought she was smart enough to keep her mouth shut butshe just had to put down a grad student at Stanford and thoroughly implicated herself. What a fucking douchebag.

Emsique! Glad to hear the togs were a hit– your assistants didn’t steer you wrong. I would advise against default on the credit cards– you may need it at some time for plane tickets, etc. Not good to put that stuff on a debit, you have no fraud protection (isn’t THAT ironic!!).

Git, Do you have a site for the Condi info? I thought that she was smart enough to stay quiet as well. But let’s not kid ourselves, NO ONE will see jail time for this, I’m not even sure that all of the truth will come out.I got a car today!!!!!

I’m not sure if you support the Free Market system, or are just into the demonization of some Free Market Companies for the sake of letting your favorites grow?If I’m into OIl, then I am cautious of any threat to it.And, it’s the same if I happen to be into Global Warming.Global Warming is Big Business, with alot of people getting rich at the expense of others.

I am impressed Minx. You used ironic correctly. Must be the librarian in you.As I am sure you are aware, so many people use the word incorrectly to the point where it is pointless to complain.Refreshing to see it used correctly.I also find it ironic that there is no fraud protection with debit cards.

Is it any different when the Government throws money, and contracts at Free Market Companies involved in the Glogal Warming sector?Batteries polute the Earth. Electricity involved in charging that type of vehicle is generated by Coal fired power plants that are, I’m sure, on the top of your Hit List.

Condi Rice Pulls a Nixon

Blue dog, I see the same ignorant arguments from the local rednecks in the local paper’s website back home. Global warming is big business? What kind of ignorant asshat statement is that? What facts do you base that comment on? Is it on the Fortune 500 list, just below Walmart? You obviously have a

(damn laptop) malfunction in the reasoning part of your brain.

Minx -I saw it on KO last night, might have been on Rachel as well. It was a video from Stanford. I’m sure it’s on YouTube.Blue Dog -I’ll retract my previous insult. It’s not easy to tell a Troll from the opposition at times. I don’t mind conversing with the opposition since I usually learn something when I do. Conversing with trolls is a waste of time.more to come

Wait a freakin second, the last I checked, the government was trying to promote the Green Agenda (at the expense of some others), for the purpose of creating the next generation of jobs.It sure does sound like big business to me.

Furthermore, where there’s Big Business, there’s also Profit Taking, and protectinist activities from the Companies that are involved.

“I’m not sure if you support the Free Market system, or are just into the demonization of some Free Market Companies for the sake of letting your favorites grow?”You don’t know me, so I understand your concern.I very much believe in free markets. We don’t have any. Because our government has been prevented from doing its job, our markets consist of Oligopolies and monopolies. We haven’t had free markets in a very long time.”If I’m into OIl, then I am cautious of any threat to it.”Caution is one thing. Buying up technology to suppress it should be illegal. Battery technology that would have allowed the Chevy Volt to go 150 miles on a battery charge was bought by Chevron and suppressed. That is not free market. That is blatant robber baron behavior.”And, it’s the same if I happen to be into Global Warming.”I haven’t seen any green tech firms buying up oil companies and not selling their oil.”Global Warming is Big Business, with a lot of people getting rich at the expense of others.”I was not aware that the free market is a zero sum game. So if a guy makes money selling a hybrid car it somehow prevents someone else from making money? Isn’t this called competition a major feature of free markets?Buying up the rights to a battery so that you can prevent it from being made is not competition. It should be illegal.

With the case of “Big Global Warming”, it has the Government(s) in it’s back pocket, and will push everything else considered a threat off a cliff.Meanwhile, many people are losing their way of live, thier way of living, and are being forced into losing everything they have.Thier only recourse is that maybe they will eventually be re-trained for the Green economy.

Oh Git, I think the word “ironic” became overused and misunderstood after that FSM-forsaking Alanis Moressette (sp?) song came out 349 years ago. Thanks for the compliment– I often feel that my brain has turned to mush since I retired. And, anyone who envies my retirement? Ask me sometime why I’m retired.

If some guy came along and developed a Hybrid car, and the people wanted to buiy it over a Gas only version, then fine, it make sense.However, that is not the case. The Government is forcing the issue, on the basis of Global Warming, and for Global Warming.

Why are you retired?

“Furthermore, where there’s Big Business, there’s also Profit Taking, and protectinist activities from the Companies that are involved.”It’s the protectionist activities that I want to put a stop to and the Republicans worship because it funds their campaigns.Since when is making a profit a bad thing?You make it sound like big businesses are a bad thing. Or are they a bad thing when they are intended to reduce reliance on your product?We have to reduce our use of fossil fuels. This is not a debate. We have to reduce our use of fossil fuels. That includes coal.If I were building a hybrid car, I would use a gas turbine engine. This engine could be eassily configured to burn gasoline, hydrogen, propane, natural gas. With a bit of changing it could burn diesel or vegetable oils. This engine would turn a generator to charge batteries and run the motors on the drive wheels. This configuration would be much more fuel efficient then the IC engines now in use.Moving from hybrid to pure electric cars. Automobile engines have a thermodynamic efficiency that maxes out at around 24%. 20% is a nice round number. This means that you burn five times as much fuel as you actually need to get you work done. The other 80% is just lost as heat.Electric Power generation plants work at thermodynamic efficiencies in excess of 70%. Lets just say we lose 20% to electric transmission and battery charging. THis leaves us with an overall efficiency of about 50% for electric cars. We are now wasting only half of our energy instead of four fifths.Thermodynamics is a nasty mistress. It’s part of our fouling the planet by using lower efficiency technology to move things around. Moving things by train is much more efficient than moving things by truck. Detroit has done everything they can to kill trains and we are paying the price for their behavior.

Good Night All, off to dream about my NEW (to me) car about which no one else has asked me– snif, snif. *Pulls generic tissues from box*.

Emsique– I’m permanently disabled due to fibromyalgia. Excruciating daily & nightly pain (as well as other symptoms too disgusting to speak of here) forced me to give up being a Reference Librarian, even part time.

So basically you are saying that you are a global warming denier.Global warming is not a made up fairy tale like Jesus Christ or Snow White.It is a scientific fact. Get over it.If I were emperor, I would have built solar electric generation plants in earth orbits when Reagan was blowing money on SDI for no apparent reason. We would now be getting all of our electricity from those stations without burning coal.Unfortunately, our leadership has been a bunch of ignorant buffoons that don’t grok science and instead they listened to their oil baron buddies and locked us into an energy situation that is not long term sustainable and with no means to turn it off.It has been the most short sighted dumbass leadership ever.

Blue dick, words fail me, just as logic seems to fail you. I have never seen someone try to reframe the global climate crisis as a big business conspiracy that has melded with big government. It’s a lot better than the international Jewish Banker Illuminati conspiracy. I’m impressed!

How do you like the PT cruiser Minx?I’ve never been in one.

Git, the Global Warming sector of the economy is too new.Yet, once it takes a good foothold, the major players in the game will develop.”Big Battery”, “Big Wind Turbine”, ect.

Minx, I’m sorry you are retired under such dire conditions. Congrats on the new car, though. Drive out to Oregon and get some high grade medical pot from some of my friends. I guarantee you some relief.

emsique -A handful of tiny green tech companies have overnight morphed into multinational threat to the oil industry. Plus, they are conspiring with that Black Muslim president. They are going to punish all of the oil companies.Whatever.

Blue Dog Dick = Big gas bag.

I’m not denying that the earth is warming, or that the climate is changing.I’m just saying that the Global Warming is being developed into, and will become the same as any other sector in the economy.It IS Big Business, with Big profits.With that comes major perversion.

[blockquote]Git, the Global Warming sector of the economy is too new.Yet, once it takes a good foothold, the major players in the game will develop.”Big Battery”, “Big Wind Turbine”, ect.[/blockquote]This is what free markets do. I don’t understand why you think this is bad.This reminds me of when cars were developed. Buggy whip manufacturers had a conniption fit.I’m not going back to horses and buggies.The law of the jungle is:Adapt or Die.This applies to companies as well as people.It’s not the job of the government to freeze time so that nothing changes. DVDs are better than VHS. I am not going back. Adapt or die.

Git, maybe it’s a conspiracy with the gay Jewish Illuminati tree hugging Communist solar panel cabal and the megalomaniac closet billionaire Al Gore and the Muslim Obama backed by the trillions of unsecured dollars printed by the International Monetary Fund. I think they are number three in the Fortune 500

The best part of the horse and buggy is the whip!

“It IS Big Business, with Big profits.With that comes major perversion.”We agree. Our government has to regulate industries better than they have been.Corporatism is the word I use to describe the rampant corruption in our government caused by corporate money. Nothing has been done yet to restore government to the people. The corporations still own our government. The filibuster today showed how bad it is.Obama has taken some steps to stop the revolving door between the executive branch and the lobbying companies. It’s the right start, but we need much more.

“The best part of the horse and buggy is the whip!”That’s what jane keeps telling me.This gives me an idea for a Sci-Fi short story. The great Global Warming conspiracy.No one expects the gay Jewish Illuminati tree hugging Communist solar panel cabal.

I’m sure that I can’t get you to understand my point.But, I do want you do know that I wasn’t attempting to defend any particular industry, nor was I wishing to demonize any other.My point was just to say that Global Warming is about more that just climate change. Afterall, some seem so appled that anyone would suggest that others are making money off the industry.

Our chief weapons are surprise, renewable condoms, good taste, a wide stance, a high fiber vegan diet and a circumcised, intimate, deep throat relationship a big well hung big government.

Appled? Is that like being teabagged? In all seriousness, it would be a great thing if big money can be made in green industries. Since Big Oil and coal control much of our government and industry,and they are opposed and threatened by alternative energy, it is a good thing that government help green energy get a leg up. It is a long way from becoming a big industry, let alone Big Business.

blue dog -I am still not getting your concern. You are not a troll and I understand that you have a concern even if I don’t grok what that concern is.Let me walk through the facts as we have them and perhaps you can point to your concern better.Anthropomorphic Global Warming is a scientific certainty. The only debate is about how much of the warming is from human activities versus natural processes. There is no doubt that humans are causing a portion of it.We must reduce our carbon emissions. The majority of our carbon emissions come from burning fossil fuel.We have to increase our use of electricity in order to reduce our use of fossil fuel. If automobiles were electric instead of internal combustion we would reduce fossil fuel usage by more than 1/2 by switching from 20% to 50% efficiency technology.We need to reduce fossil fuel usage even more than this. Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Hydrodynamic, anything that does not involve burning fossil fuel. We will probably have to build new nuclear plants.The Government is going to provide incentives for companies to develop this technology. This is not new. The government has provided tax incentives for companies to develop technology many times in the past. Under Clinton, there were huge tax incentives for R&D. Bush did away with those incentives and R&D came to a screeching halt. Am I the only one that has noticed that all of the new products for the past 8 years have come from everywhere but the U.S.?Note that our use of oil will not stop. It will never stop until we run out. So many of our plastics and pharmaceuticals are based on oil. We should have stopped burning it ages ago.There is going to be a much larger number of companies involved in electrical power generation. It won’t just be Westinghouse and GE anymore. Hopefully there will be Engineering R&D jobs in the U.S. again.This is called progress.

Emsique & My Friendly, Not-So-Local Silly Git– Thank you! I’m very excited. To answer your question, Git, the car rides high. No getting on the ground to get in. Smooth, quick acceleration & quiet interior. I need to watch for the blind spot, though, it’s in a different location than in my old car.Ems– Oh boy, would I love to try the green, leafy stuff. Hook me up with a couple of your friends & I will make the road trip. Wisconsin is exceptionally backwards regarding medical pot– I don’t expect this to change in the near future. Perhaps the federal laws will change to support medical pot. I’m thinking of trying Traditional Chinese Medicine, though. Got to go– my arms are burning from too much IPod Internet writing…

Minx -Find a good acupuncturist and a good herbalist. It will probably help. Our medical system is science based, but it doesn’t know everything. A good Chinese herbalist can make a huge difference in how you feel. The problem is finding one. Acupuncturists are easier to find and often they can hook you up with a good herbalist.