Prime Time Thread

Did anyone else catch this line in the statement Pres. Obama made just before he left for AZ…Moreover, I fear the publication of these photos may only have a chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse.

Just added to the Paypal tip jar. Without the GDAB I think I would lose my mind.Annette – Obama is playing this smart. He is letting public demand for it grow. Its the tease before the climax. Forgive the expression haha.

That’s what I think too.. but I also think that’s why he is delaying on these pictures.. yes it is making people angry, but he is wanting more of the memos to come out first.. some of those pictures may have the children in them. I am not sure people are ready yet to see those.We, here on the right side of the torture debate are ready for it, but the ones on the other side aren’t. They need to see more of the memos and realize yet, that it doesn’t work, then let those pictures come out showing the children and women they tortured in front of the men.

So, let me get this straight, Miss California is upset that she’s being JUDGED for her answer to a pageant JUDGE? Wasn’t that Hilton’s job to judge the contestants?

But he didn’t judge her the way she wanted him to. That wasn’t fair.

Yeah, he actually listened to the answer.

Check out this Washington Times picture from Media Matters.. This is over the top..Someone needs to answer for this.. Really out of line.http://mediamatters.org/blog/200905130025

Wow, that is horrible.

Wazza person gotta do to get some trollz up in here? I’m hungry.

When did longevity become more important than being a good judge? I realize that the chess game has gone on too long to stop now, but good grief. Anyone could drop dead of an aneurysm tomorrow. Can’t we start hearing more about judicial philosophy and less about Type 1 diabetes??

Now on my blog: Why it’s so difficult to defend Janeane GarofaloRecently Janeane was ambushed because she told Keith Olbermann in a recent interview that ALL “teabaggers” are racists (as Olbermann moaned a bit).One doesn’t need to have knowledge of Boolean logic to know that the claim is absurd. If she said that even the majority of the protestors are racist it would seem ridiculous. ALL of them? …it’s possibly time for sedatives…I want to address one other falsehood from her recent statements. She said that Reagan wasn’t a Goldwater Republican. Well, everyone from objective biographer Edmund Morristo left-leaning Sean Wilentz (who displays obvious antipathy for him)would argue otherwise.Reagan was THE Goldwater conservative. I agree that the Republican party has mutated into a beast. As Maher recently noted, the religious Christian-nut parasite that Reagan tolerated now controls the host. BUT the transformation did not begin during 1980.

Jane-You’re hungry? Here’s somethings to chew onApril-Foreclosure Filings Surge 32 PercentUnemployemnt goes to 8.9%Retail Sales Fell for Second Straight Month in AprilThe Commerce Department said Wednesday that retail sales fell 0.4 percent last month, much worse than the flat reading economists expected. The April weakness followed a 1.3 percent drop in March that was worse than first estimated.Ah, but at least we spent a thousand billion dollars that we don’t have, to fix all this. We haven’t fixed one thing.

Is it me or does Keith’s WTF moment sound like a “Special Comment”?

“Official” Unemployment numbers are bullcrap.Its a lot higher than 8.9%The official numbers do not include people who haven’t filed for unemployement and they don’t count young people looking for their first job.From my point of view, take the official number and add 5%.MGBGT – “Ah, but at least we spent a thousand billion dollars that we don’t have, to fix all this. We haven’t fixed one thing.”I don’t think even republican analysts currently living in Bizzaro World would suggest that the problem can be fixed in one night, let alone one week or one month. Our current problems have been building up for 10 years. Its going to take atleast 1 year to get back on the right track.And far as the massive bailouts go, I’m not a fan of it either. But I do believe they stopped things from getting even worse than they are. Without the bailouts, unemployment would probably be closer to 15 to 20% right now because of a total failure of credit lines.

Oh joy! random effects of the problems of the last several years in list form (with the implication that it can be blamed on one person somewhere)! Thanks, mgbgtbscnnbcbs! You’re the best.

can i ask a question to all those that want the photos to come out. WHY? why do you want to see photos of people being tortured? isn’t knowing that bad things have happened enough? am i a big girl? yes. do i want to see images of people being tortured? no. and it has nothing to do with the u.s. being the ones responsible for this and he backlash that could occur. it’s just disgusting to me how hard some are fighting for this and it seems more about taking down the previous administration than anything else. it’s sick…

Paddy & Laffy linked to photos in a 2006 article in a Sydney, Australia newspaper. IMO, if the ones they decided NOT to release are anything like those, making them public would unleash a firestorm from moral people around the world.GYPSY – DON’T CLICK ON THE LINK.

I dont give a flying fuck what anyone tries to do to the previous administration. It was the worst administration in this history of this nation. It diserves to be drug not only through the mud but through untold buckets of shit.You dont even know the half of what they were doing behind closed doors. If you knew, it would disgust you far more than some photos.This country was suckered; hook, line, and sinker into treasury-looting wars of conquest. They wiped their ass with the constitution and pissed on the american people. They could be drug through the street flailing for all I care.

@gyps: here’s the thing I find so strange about the demand fir the release. One if the arguments (perhaps the main one) is the evidence of torture they provide. But…we have those already. The Abu Graib(?) pics show the exact techniques from the memos. And yet we’re still debating whether this is torture.Is there some magic numbers of pictures that will shut the Cheneys up and get them to admit what they did? Does one of the photos show a CIA agent with a t-shirt saying “torture is fun and what I’m doing right now”? I get the historical record argument for it. I’m just less clear on what effect the release will have on the here and now.

i know ashby. still doesn’t answer why words aren’t enough. why do you have to see it? i know if a cop were to tell me someone’s arm was in the trash can down the street, i wouldn’t demand to see it.

OOH! Arm in a trash can! Where???

J, Gyps: if the country in general is made to be more and more disgusted by the practices at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, prosecutions will be more likely.

April-Foreclosure Filings Surge 32 Percentfrom MGBGT.Yeah, the moratorium by F&F and Citibank on foreclosures ended at the end of March. Is it a surprise that they surged in April?? Umm…no, actually it was expected. As will be the surge in foreclosures in June when the 90-day moratorium in CA ends in mid-May. Fannie, Freddie Put Off Evictions until March

Well the photos CEU linked above are worse than anything I’ve seen before.Put those picture on the TV with a splitscreen of Cheney smirking and justifying it.

jane, that’s a true story. when i lived in greensboro parts of my neighbor were found in his apt, community trash can, and his car.

I bet your neighbor hated America. Fuck yeah.

Cheney, a waterboard, and one hour. Woo hoo!

BUT the transformation did not begin during 1980.

No. It began in 1981. I agree that Reagan himself may have appeared to have been a Goldwater Republican, but he wasn’t really. He was a Democrat before he married Nancy. He was surrounded by a cabal of clowns that now call themselves neocons even thought they hadn’t come up with that name yet. Nancy Davis Reagan was a fascist. Of course they called themselves Conservatives. They were not Goldwater , Dirksen, Buckley Conservatives, they were Hitler, Mussolini conservatives. Check the Davis family history during the 30s. Big opponents of war with Germany because they were big fans of the Nazis along with Prescott Bush. By 1983 they were calling it the “Democrat Party” all the time. They also called President Carter Former President Carter. The Reagan crowd was the same cabal of amoral fascist criminals that we also had robbing us blind during both Bush criminal conspiracy. Reagan was a puppet figurehead.

@fe: I would love for that to be true. I just…don’t see anything that makes me think it’s so. The fact that we can even debate the use of torture, that Dick Cheney continues to smirk around evev though we all agree he SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE! Again, ideally, presenting the country with cold, hard facts would lead us all to the same conclusion. But from the smallest criminal case to this, America just doesn’t seem to get it. As a country, we’d always rather have the rosier view. It’s why so many rapists go free–masters of rationalization. Give one reason not to believe the bad thing and the majority of people will latch onto it and never let go. It makes me sad.But then again, maybe that foolishness isn’t enough of a reason to not release them. I am torn. I guess my bottom line is, I’m ok with the pictures being out there, but I’m not going to rail and scream at Obama if he prevents it.

I know, Ashby. That’s only 15 and there are something like 2000 (I heard it somewhere, don’t know where, don’t know if true). The fallout from releasing them could be awfulOTOH, it would also give more people impetus to put pressure on the admin & Congress to investigate & prosecute.

We still have solders, contractors, reporters, and civilians in parts of the world where, if torture photos were released, would endanger those people. No one of importance will ever be prosecuted for torture so it is not worth the risk.

I remember hearing “over 2000 pictures” also, Chris.

Posted by: ∇•B=0 Silly Ratfaced Git ∇•D=ρ at May 13, 2009 9:34 PMTell the historians, bub.I’m not even using my own set of facts. I’m playing with house history — so to speak… using a bad metaphor…

By the way, Reagan won the nomination and the election during ’80, so I believe that “started” applies to 1980.

We still have solders, contractors, reporters, and civilians in parts of the world where, if torture photos were released, would endanger those people.

My comment is that they deserve to be endangered. YOu are not supposed to obey illegal orders. If they behaved like gestapo thugs, then they should be tried for war crimes anyway.Do not be to sure that no one will be prosecuted. We may not do it, but the Europeans shall. Read some news from Europe sometime. Our corporatists don’t control their news media over there like it is controlled here. You might be surprised at how insistent that someone be prosecuted. They do not plan on letting us skate from our treaty obligations.Note that we see some of the photos from Australia. SMH isn’t owned by Murdoch.

MG -I call it like I saw it. Many historians are ideologues that have their own agenda.I know when the Rush Limbaugh style attack on liberals began and it was in the early 80s. They started with the propaganda saying how bad Cartr was. Most people now seem to think that was true. If you asked people like me and ceu who were young adults in the Carter years (Carter was the first president I voted for) we will tell you that Carter was a good president. He had problems getting the cooperation of congress since he was a beltway outsider, and he was screwed by the Iran situation which was none of his doing.

Git, when you said “they deserve to be endangered” I am SURE you did not mean random “soldiers, contractors, reporters, and civilians” who had no connection to (nor would have approved of) any torture-related behavior. Don’t feed the mouth breathers.

According to this piece by David Ignatius, it was 44 photos that were supposed to be released.

The notion that the release of these photos endangers anyone not in the photos is pure hogwash.Someone please explain how releasing photos like the ones at SMH endangers any of our troops unless they are in the pictures. I am just not seeing it.

@SillyGit: I think the idea is that they can be used as a rallying/recruiting tool. (Not necessarily agreeing…) But as that was the argument used for closing Gitmo and the pics are an extension of that, I think that’s the reasoning.

I call it like I saw it. Many historians are ideologues that have their own agenda.Posted by: ∇•B=0 Silly Ratfaced Git ∇•D=ρ at May 13, 2009 9:57 PMDid you not read “objective” as it was applied to Morris (by almost anyone’s standards– far right wingers DESPISE him for that book; left wingers think he was complimentary of Reagan)?Did you not left-leaning as I applied to Sean Wilentz? Wilentz is anything other than a right winger who has an agenda.and that was to name only twoDude… You’re challenging conventional wisdom… which is generally alright. But know that you are challenging conventional wisdom.

*did you not read “left-leaning”

Iraq. We invaded and have occupied the country for over five years. While there we have arbitrarily executed unarmed civilian men, women and children numerous times when insurgents responsible for IED attacks could not be found. This has happened more than a few times. We basically murdered over one million Iraqis. Does anyone expect me to believe that the release of a few photographs will make the Iraqis more outraged then they already are?If GItheJoe tells me I am wrong I will take his word for it. I just don’t see it. The only people for whom the inhumanity of our Iraqi expedition is a surprise are the U.S. citizens. The rest of the world is well aware of the situation there. The people of Australia, New Zealand, and Europe get better news coverage of what goes on in our wars. It’s only the U.S. public that is kept in the dark.

I think the popular talking point at the moment is the an uptick of violence after the original Abu Grahaib photos were released. Wether or not thats true, I haven’t looked it up.I would agree that its only a surprise to sheltered U.S. citizens.I can see where fresh photos could give more reason to be violent, but I’m not sure if that risk is greater than the risk of not fully educating the american people on how truly sick and twisted the Bush administration was, particularly Cheney. He shouldn’t even be allowed on ths soil of the nation.

I have not read left leaning. Sounds like I should.I don’t mean to be flippant, but conventional wisdom is often code for crock of shit. Conventional wisdom said that microcomputers would never sell. Hah. Steve and Woz called bullshit on conventional wisdom and here we are communicating using microcomputers.I don’t really need historians to tell me what I lived through. I lived through it.I’ll get a copy of left leaning. Thanks for the suggestion.

ACLU’s response to Obama decision not to release more photos.

J M -I thought that claim was BS. If we had evidence that showed that there really was an uptick in attacks, then I would admit I am wrong.I just do see a few photos pissing those people off any more than they are. If I kill your wife you are never going to forgive me. A few pictures of neighbors being beaten is not going to make me any more pissed off than I already am. We have given them so many reasons to fight us I just don’t see how these pictures make a difference.The reason is that they do not want U.S. citizens to see them. That is really what it is. The rest is bullshit.

“Only by looking squarely in the mirror, acknowledging the crimes of the past and achieving accountability can we move forward and ensure that these atrocities are not repeated”This is what I mean.All of these torture apologists and supporters parading around on TV should be made to look at every single fucking photo and justify every single one.Put up a splitscreen of every torture justifier and every photo and have them justify each one.

I’m with Ashby

It may seem like an easy decision to just release the photos, but I think we have to understand his position as the commander-in-chief. I know how fucked up the previous administration is that I don’t see the necessity to release the photos. So, I don’t think this is a bad decision as I have read on some other blogs. But watch as somehow they are leaked to the public. It always happens.

ceu -Thanks. I agree with the ACLU position exactly.

@ACLU: Please do not join the parade of people who have nothing more original to say than “that’s not change we can believe in” and “where’s the transparency.” Not saying you don’t have a valid case for these photos. Not saying they couldn’t do better, but the Obama administration is not only more open than the Bush one (be pretty hard not to be), but I’d wager their more open than any previous administration–and maybe more open than most governments. But saying “where’s the transparency” all the time just makes the argument sound trite.

but conventional wisdom is often code for crock of shit.Posted by: ∇•B=0 Silly Ratfaced Git ∇•D=ρ at May 13, 2009 10:35 PMSometimes it is. I can think of 10 million examples when it isn’t.Benjamin Franklin was a genius.Sarah Palin is an idiot.Waterboarding is torture.The Iraq war was unnecessary.yadda yadda

Agree, J. I imagine it’s a bit more complex than we can see.

OTOH I have no problem with (and fully expect in this country) a few leaks. Which we’re seeing.

I’m with Ashby and ceu.I’ll add the following.For each photo I want an explanation of how what is shown in the picture kept us safe.

I’ll get a copy of left leaning. Thanks for the suggestion.Posted by: ∇•B=0 Silly Ratfaced Git ∇•D=ρ at May 13, 2009 10:35 PM”Did you not read ‘left leaning’” was a reference to one of my posts.”The Age of Reagan” is the title of Wilentz’s last book.I think that the “git” part is starting to come into play.

MG -You got me with that one.Ben Franklin was a genius.and all the rest.

I like the split-screen proposition too, ash/git/ceu. We’ve had plenty of pics to use for such an experiment for years now.I can also see how maybe we don’t need *more* pics to prove a point that if we haven’t proven by now we never can.Although I’d like them to be on record in any investigation, and since cheney’s out of office it’s unlikely the pics will be disappeared.

Posted by: ∇•B=0 Silly Ratfaced Git ∇•D=ρ at May 13, 2009 10:59 PMWell, it’s at the same basic level of “Reagan was a Goldwater conservative.”I would write “no offense,” but at this point fate necessitates that offense is given.

Silly-”The reason is that they do not want U.S. citizens to see them. That is really what it is. The rest is bullshit.”Is there any validity at all to wanting to “tone it down” somewhat in light of the Pelosi situation becoming more “complex”? Is this one of the reason they don’t want US citizens to see the pictures? Or is Pelosi simply not a factor at all in this decision?

boyband troll, I’d say Pelosi (who can fuck off as far as *this* liberal is concerned) has nothing to do with any muckity muck decisions about these photos.But hey, nice try.

Everything Jane said. (Well, not everything, like, ever. Though possibly.) But very especially this: “I can also see how maybe we don’t need *more* pics to prove a point that if we haven’t proven by now we never can.” If Malcolm Gladwell can tell me how many photos till we reach the tipping point, I’m on board.I would love if the ACLU and others would use the argument of “these pictures are already out, so keeping then hidden is just a meaningless exercise.” That argument I can get behind. Also, also? Can someone, somewhere rake our so-called journalists and reporters over the coals? Someone who isn’t Jon Stewart? It is disgraceful. Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward may currently be assholes, but 30 years ago they would have had these pictures published like that.

ditto what jane saidI would add reid to that statement. they need to do their constitutional duties or get the hell out of they way

Hey! What J said.

Reagan masqueraded as a Goldwater Conservative. It was pretense. I agree with Janeane. I watched what he really did versus what he claimed.Goldwater Conservatives would never triple the national debt. Reagan did.

J – Too many of them are busy giving torture apologists and supporters air-time.

Jane-”boyband troll”boy band troll?boyb and troll?But hey, nice try.

Therfore saying that Reagan was a Goldwater Conservative is not only wrong. It is totally absurd.Pelosi’s trial for oath breaking has nothing to do with the EIT investigation.The photos will come out. The court is likely to order them released. This is a delay tactic. I think Obama wants this story to evolve slowly. I can’t second guess him since I don’t have the info he does. He has proven to do things very very carefully and thoughtfully. I see no reason to not continue trusting his judgment.

>>boy band troll’cause you’ve got some sand in your vagina, and you sure as fuck are not a rocker.

Jane-Is that why I always hear that the sex was “rough”

I think that it is important for the President to evaluate the risks associated with any release of information that may cause harm to US citizens at any location on the globe. What do you or I gain from the release of the photos? Proceeding with caution is the prudent path.

dunno, trolly-poly, maybe you shoulda asked the guy.

J – Since the ACLU was the plaintiff in this case, it doesn’t seem like they’re joining the chorus on anything. They have a valid point. Without their FOI requests/suits, we wouldn’t have the torture memos or a lot of the other info we have on BushCo.from the article posted above”It is true that these photos would be disturbing; the day we are no longer disturbed by such repugnant acts would be a sad one. In America, every fact and document gets known – whether now or years from now…Any outrage related to these photos should be due not to their release but to the very crimes depicted in them.”"

Hey, Chris, don’t get me wrong, I respect and appreciate the ACLU filing suit, thus bringing it into the public sphere. What results from disclosure/nondisclosure remains to be seen.(However, pussy trolly bitch, Pelosi so has nothing to do with this.)

Jane – I’d like to see the things you say when you’re actually really pissed. I bet its hot.

Heh. Only pissed in the British sense tonight.

Jane-”dunno, trolly-poly, maybe you shoulda asked the guy”Hey that was pretty good…and I thought you weren’t the funny type.

Funny, I thought you weren’t the thinking type.

I lurve Jane and I’m gonna not-marry her (we live in NC), so all you other bitches keep your hands off.

Well I guess we were both wrong.

pj -The ACLU is not asking for these photos for no apparent reason. They have a legal case against the U.S. government in which they are suing on behalf of two former detainees who claim they were tortured.People seem to forget that these photographs have been asked for as evidence in ongoing litigation. Instead of refusing to provide them, they could ask for a protective order which would only allow the legal teams and the Judge to see them.Instead. The administration is refusing to turn them over.People don’t seem to be grokking that this is called withholding evidence.

But that’s the thing. I agree with the ACLU’s actual case. But quotes like this “It is inconsistent…with the promise of transparency that President Obama has repeated so many times” made my eyes roll so far into my head that it was hard to read the valid information. Of course, Harry Reid is now agreeing with the President’s decision…which makes me question it more than anything else. Go away, Harry Reid!On a separate note, Nancy Pelosi does not have the kind of pull with the president that could remotely play a part in this at all.

Kat – Thems fightin words

Can they not subpoena them, Git?

Again: what J said.

I’ll bet that Sen. Linda Graham loves her some cock. What a huge pussy.

p.s. my quote is from the ACLU lawyer quoted in HuffPo’s piece, not the article linked above. I would link there, but that’s too fancy for me.p.p.s. Lindsay Graham: Bush admin say the law as “a nicety we could not afford.” Seriously? You seriously think that’s a valid argument. Wowza.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/police-brutality-cops-pun_n_203245.html

I, for one, am totally shocked that Reid would agree with Obama about this. Turley on Reid: “…interview with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid where he admits that waterboarding is torture and we did torture people. However, he suggests that it was “the right” thing to do and should not be punished.

I call term limits!!!

I wouldn’t be shocked if Lindsay Graham sleeps in Confederate flag pajamas, has all black butlers, and has a dozen skeletons in his closet along with a male blowup doll.

As they say, Ashby, better to be caught with a dead girl than a live boy.

jane -I believe they will if they have not already. I think they have only asked for them using an FOI request. This is a delay game. They will get the pictures because there is no valid basis for withholding them. They may have to keep them sealed in which case we won’t see them. This is just making it more expensive for the ACLU to pursue this. The government has unlimited funds in comparison.

*dead girl*like Lori Klausutis

You better watch out, Kat-and I’m in NY, so fingers-crossed, maybe me and Jane can get hitched. (Or leg-shackled, whatever your fancy.) Or hey, if Bill O’Reilly knows his stuff (and of course, he does) all three of us can run off and marry each other AND a turtle! Huzzah!

I’ve been hoping that Harry Reid would just drop dead. I am trying to avoid mentioning him because I can’t think of a single nice thing to say about him. His cojones have been missing for so long they will never be found. Huge waste of skin.

I was not aware of that Jane, thanks. Morning Jackass will now be referred to as Morning Jacktheripper.Im a fan of one-upsmanship so spend a while reading thishttp://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388I think the trolls have gone to bed.

(I am sofa king hot for a turtle right now. Don’t tell Billo.)

@J M: Those cops were just keeping the rest of us safe. Laws are a nicety we can’t afford.

Please close Doucheborough’s closet. The skeletons are falling out all over the place. Makes it kind of hard to walk around here.

mmmmm turtles

Git, there’d be plenty of room if Joe would just get out of there…

Jane is right.I am reminded of what Elvis said about Joe and Hannity some time back during the presidental campaign.It was something along the lines up “scarborough and hannity backdooring eachother while drapped in american flags with flight of the valkyrie playing in the background”

There would be plenty of room if his head were removed.

Wow, Jane. Wow. I..did not know that about Douchenozzle. I am amazed that I didn’t know that, though I know I shouldn’t be surprised anymore. I shouldn’t be shocked at the things Republicans are allowed to get away with, while Democrats are villified. I defy you to have a conversation about Ted Kennedy that doesn’t mention Chappaquiduck in the first five minutes. But this? Radio silence. I should know better. One day I will get over this wide-eyed optimism. Till then, Ima get some sleep.

The Bush Administration’s apparent motto was: “We run with scissors so get the FUCK out of our way.” They acted like people brought up by wolves in the wilderness, only less civilized.

Heh, Indian name: Runs With Scissors.

Sometimes you have to trust those in power. I am sure the President and his advisors have much better information on this matter and the potential impact of releasing photos. The ACLU have their agenda as indicated in their response linked to in an earlier post. I think that the protection of our soldiers and others supersedes the ACLU’s suit for the photos at this time.

fornicates with turtles

I think some people are easily conned into thinking that withholding evidence needed for a trial is somehow justified in order to fulfill some spurious and nearly risible claim that doing so will “keep our troops safe.” I am very tired of hearing about keeping people safe by violating our laws.It has already been mentioned that the photos can be released under seal as evidence so that the public will not see them. This too would keep our troops safe. This is not being done. There is simply a refusal to turn them over. That is called withholding evidence which is an illegal act.

lol @ Fornicates with Turtles

So, I guess that the President is now breaking the law by not releasing the photos. Now we have to go after Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, and Obama. We better toss in the VP for good measure. Maybe the ACLU should run the country.

No reason to go all absurd. I’ve already said that I trust the president’s judgment. Perhaps you missed that.I just don’t get your willingness to ignore laws simply because someone says “I’m keeping you safe.”Are you that fucking gullible?The ACLU will subpoena the photos, they will get them. The litigation will continue. All this does is make it take longer (which is what I think Obama is after). I don’t care how long it takes as long as the criminals responsible for this travesty are brought to justice. No one is above the law. Cheney and Rumsfeld belong locked up.

Feed the bots.Alex Witt is a merkin.Ann Coulter is a faux merkin.Joe Scarborough is Mika’s merkin.Karl “Turd-blossom” Rove is merkin Adhesive.Madoff had a merkin. Who knew?Michelle Malkin, the blathering fool extraordinaire.Rep. Virginia Foxx is a liar and a despicable bigot.Pat Buchanan is a fascist ideologue that is convinced that he is a member of the Master Race. He and his neocon buddies are are proper humans, everyone else is ‘scrub stock’.Bill’O the Loofah Clown says that he’s not an ideologue, he’s a fact based opinion maker. I wonder what universe his ‘facts’ are based on. It’s certainly not ours.Ten tiny tweeting teabaggers torqued their togas into twisted tangles while tenaciously twirling teabags throughout their tea tantrum.The Bush Administration was a criminal conspiracy implementing the plan made by PNAC to raid the treasury and use the government apparatus to castrate their political opponents.The Republican Party has ZERO CREDIBILITY on any issue facing America today. They have a track record of proven massive incompetence. US War Criminals – The Bush Lies Montage

No, I am not fucking gullible. I think that you are so blinded by your hatred towards the Bush administration and wanting them prosecuted that you refuse to see the bigger picture and the responsibilities that the President has to the country.What’s legal is not always right and what’s right is not always legal.

Is there any way we can start up some tea-bag parties in homage of our pussy Democrats not signing credit card legislation, letting the Republican Right-Wing Nazi Party continue to residually walk all over them, etc.? Can we do something about Harry Reid’s ineffective ass and try to pry the smile off Nancy Pelosi’s face in the midst of terrible American crisis’? I’d probably be acting like Cheney too if these were the folks I was ideologically against.

Rachel Maddow – Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Ret. – Torture and Cheney. Ouch, Dick…

What’s legal is not always right and what’s right is not always legal.

That’s the response I expected from a fascist scofflaw. Laws are always something that fascists work around.

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” – Thomas Jefferson

“A government of laws, and not of men.” – John Adams

“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” – George W. Bush

“The clearest way to show what the rule of law means to us in everyday life is to recall what has happened when there is no rule of law.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals.” – George Washington

Blinded by hatred, no. Disgusted by a criminal conspiracy, yes.Blinded by hatred is when someone is impeached for having consensual oral sex. Blinded by hatred is when a fat-assed drug addict calls a president’s teenaged daughter a dog on national television.Don’t you even dare to preach at me about decency. The current GOP is the most indecent collection of criminal cowardly incompetents ever gathered in a civilized society. You wouldn’t know decency if it waterboarded you and then cornholed you.If you don’t like what we have to say here, there are plenty of Unamerican Zombie Talibangelical sites like Hot Air where a first generation american can tell you why she is a better american than people whose great great grandparents were born here. Yeah, she is more american all right. And there is always free republic. The love and tolerance just oozes from those places in copious quantities.You have my sympathy that Posner thinks the GOP is now officially Brain Dead. Kaput: GOP Icon Declares Party “Brain Dead”. It must really, really suck to be members of such a corrupt and incompetent political party.

Wow, Git, you really let him have it!I took a bit of liberty with the very last sentence you wrote. Hope you don’t mind.

It must really, really suck to be members of ANY corrupt and incompetent political party.