The Nexus of Torture and Iraq

The biggest criminal conspiracy in the history of the executive branch?No, that is reserved for another event which occured in 2001.This is only the doorway which will open people’s eyes to it.

Accountability!Period!

It’s a loser. It’s going nowhere.Posted by: J M Ashby at May 14, 2009 9:55 PMRiiiiiight.

The criminal conspiracy pulled off the biggest robbery in history.Raiding the National treasury buy paying inflated prices for substandard services from Halliburton and KBR.Torturing detainees to generate a reason to invade and occupy Iraq in order to enable the raid on the treasury.This is the tip of the iceberg. This conspiracy was large and well planned.Be careful pulling that thread. You will get much more than you expected.I agree with Ashby except the first moves made by the conspiracy were in 1999 and 2000. I’m sitting on a pile of election rigging evidence. Bush won rigged elections both times.

Hey Silly, nice to see you’re on top of it and that you get it.That 2000 election was a ‘polite’ coup d’etat which gave them (PNACers) the seat to execute their plan that called for a catalyzing Pearl Harbor like event and the pretext for (O)peration (I)raqi (L)iberation. Thats a nice little acronym they had, not too obvious, sheesh.Qui bono?

Git – Just shot you an email.Steve B – Even the most obvious information can remain oblivious if not a single media outlet mentions it.

Totally agree Ashby.An ignorant population is the foundation on which any of this stuff is capable of happening.

I suspect that Obama is aware of the magnitude of this and that is why he doesn’t want to pull the string.I think (or hope) that it would be possible to bring the appropriate culprits to justice without letting all of the leopards out of the bag. The trick will be limiting it to just this EIT stuff. The culprits are involved in all of it. I’d like to see Lieberman get drug in since he deserves it.Halliburton and KBR may get drug in anyway. At some point the electrocution showers and lack of water for the troops will stop being ignored and investigations are likely to find all sorts of fun stuff.I’ll check my email J M.

Well if those 200+ photos being held back right now show what I think they show… they wont be forgotten in a hundred years.

Yeah. I’m not surprised. I thought it might be that. The level of criminality that represents is horrific. The people involved should all be prosecuted. Any orders to do such things were clearly unlawful.

If the photos turn out to be of that, I cannot even imagine how it will defended by the right. Will they defended it? would they really go there?

@J M: yes.

How could they? It’s clearly indefensible. Waterboarding can and has been described in ways that make it sound trivial. The stuff you described can not be trivialized. It is outright criminal barbarity to all but a handful of very sick people. If the pictures are of that, the outrage will be overwhelming and from nearly everyone.I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

Oh I can see it now..Limbaugh: “What?!? I had to pay to be sodomized, they got it for free!”

Hehe. He would be the one that would defend it. He is a vicious fascist motherfucker.

Some people are just lucky…………..Recently, in Buffalo N.Y a muslin wanted a divorce from her husband … He simply cut her head off..problem solved……………In afganistan a muslin couple had a illicit affair . They took them out side and shot them in the back of the head. problem solved……….They were very lucky they didn’t have to endure the torture OF WATER BOARDING. hOW LUCKY CAN YOU GET……………….

Yeah Montressor, because using one bad deed to justify another bad deed is a recipe for success.Ass

Just because some people are barbaric does not provide an excuse for being barbaric unless you think like a nine year old like most republicans do.Or should I use the party’s real name the Unamerican Zombie Talibangelical Party. The deniers of science and decency. They are determined to inflict their barbaric religious beliefs on others. Unamerican because they think the constitution is a door mat.

Now why would someone make up reasons to go to war? Oh yeah, MONEY!

KBR’s shower facilities that they built in Iraq for our troops electrocuted over 250 armed services personnel. I bet if we compare what was payed for versus what was delivered a rather large ‘profit’ was made on those operations. We payed far, far more than cost for the substandard stuff delivered by Halliburton and KBR.

KBR was also paid for clean shower water, but it wasn’t clean at all. It the case of one base, it completely untreated wastewater.

The only conclusion I can draw is that Cheney authorized torture not because he believed there was an Iraq connection but because he knew for certain that there wasn’t. False confessions weren’t a consequence of torture. They were the sole reason for doing it.

Matt McD. -I am also convinced that what you said is true. All of the facts in evidence make that conclusion inevitable.There are several others here that reached that conclusion as well, J M Ashby being just one, and there will be many more that will when they have thought about it more.That conclusion becomes obvious more quickly when you factor in the PNAC evidence trail. Not everyone is familiar with those facts.

Matt McD. — ON. THE. NOSE.Torture DOES NOT serve intelligence. Torture always has been and forever will be about POLITICS.

During the Inquisition the torturers always got the confession they wanted. Need a witch or a Jew to burn. They could always find one.