The Nation’s Biggest Crooks…

This needs to be all over the news although I doubt it will be. Republicans constantly use reports in their propaganda efforts- even though the reports are almost always purposely misinterpreted or the report itself is debunked. Still, if the Dems get their act together on this, you should see Schumer, Pelosi, et al citing this as a prime example of why a public option is needed.

This needs to be all over the news although I doubt it will be. Republicans constantly use reports in their propaganda efforts- even though the reports are almost always purposely misinterpreted or the report itself is debunked. Still, if the Dems get their act together on this, you should see Schumer, Pelosi, et al citing this as a prime example of why a public option is needed.

Cigarettes make ill in the long term, very ill. This demonstrates why having ‘for profit’ business involved in health care is wrong. No one should be making a profit off of the disease and illness of others. It is the ‘profit motive’ that produces must of the problems in our health care industry.Tell your congresspeople that we want a Single Payer Health Care System. Remove the insurance industry from the equation.

Cigarettes make ill in the long term, very ill. This demonstrates why having ‘for profit’ business involved in health care is wrong. No one should be making a profit off of the disease and illness of others. It is the ‘profit motive’ that produces must of the problems in our health care industry.Tell your congresspeople that we want a Single Payer Health Care System. Remove the insurance industry from the equation.

infuckingcredible…

infuckingcredible…

Why do you think cancer hasn’t been cured?Theres too much money in treating it.

Why do you think cancer hasn’t been cured?Theres too much money in treating it.

“Just more evidence that healthcare providers want to keep you sick…”"Why do you think cancer hasn’t been cured?Theres too much money in treating it.”Well, that’s a little unfair, isn’t it? I mean, do you really think your family doctor is thinking “I COULD heal this guy, but nah, I won’t”? Or that some medical researcher is sitting on a cure for cancer but won’t tell anyone?(besides the fact that many kinds of cancer HAVE essentially been cured, and the fact that there are lots of kinds of cancer, without a common cure)Lots of medical research is done outside of “the System”, at university labs, etc. – and yes, I know that there are lots of funding sources, and the insurance companies are sometimes involved.My point is just that while yes, health insurance companies regularly do really nasty things and do put people’s health at risk in order to preserve profits (and the tobacco connection is one of many examples, though particularly damning), perhaps we shouldn’t tar everyone in the health-care service with the same brush. You guys are making it sound like all the doctors and nurses and other health-care professionals out there are as obsessed with profit and as negligent in terms of a patient’s health as the insurance company executives, and we all know that’s not true.

“Just more evidence that healthcare providers want to keep you sick…”"Why do you think cancer hasn’t been cured?Theres too much money in treating it.”Well, that’s a little unfair, isn’t it? I mean, do you really think your family doctor is thinking “I COULD heal this guy, but nah, I won’t”? Or that some medical researcher is sitting on a cure for cancer but won’t tell anyone?(besides the fact that many kinds of cancer HAVE essentially been cured, and the fact that there are lots of kinds of cancer, without a common cure)Lots of medical research is done outside of “the System”, at university labs, etc. – and yes, I know that there are lots of funding sources, and the insurance companies are sometimes involved.My point is just that while yes, health insurance companies regularly do really nasty things and do put people’s health at risk in order to preserve profits (and the tobacco connection is one of many examples, though particularly damning), perhaps we shouldn’t tar everyone in the health-care service with the same brush. You guys are making it sound like all the doctors and nurses and other health-care professionals out there are as obsessed with profit and as negligent in terms of a patient’s health as the insurance company executives, and we all know that’s not true.

You’re misreading MZ.There are cetainly many good doctors and nurses out there, but ultimately they aren’t the ones making the real decisions. I have family that works in healthcare industry and they are confronted every single day with the limitations and drawbacks of our current system. They can operate in their own space and do as much good as they can, but ultimately insurace companys and healthcare executives make nearly all of the important decisions. Doctors can’t just give things away for free, and if insurance is making the decision on what to pay and when to pay it, they end up at their mercy.My comments on cancer reflect the fact that money spent on cancer research is probably not even 1% of what is spent on treating it. There are orgnizations outside of “the system” doing their own research, but how much funding do you think they really have in comparison to inside the system?Do not make the mistake of associating critisizm of the healthcare industry with doctors and nurses. They don’t make the decisions.That is the same mistake as associating critisizm of war with soldiers and commanders. They don’t make the decisions either.

You’re misreading MZ.There are cetainly many good doctors and nurses out there, but ultimately they aren’t the ones making the real decisions. I have family that works in healthcare industry and they are confronted every single day with the limitations and drawbacks of our current system. They can operate in their own space and do as much good as they can, but ultimately insurace companys and healthcare executives make nearly all of the important decisions. Doctors can’t just give things away for free, and if insurance is making the decision on what to pay and when to pay it, they end up at their mercy.My comments on cancer reflect the fact that money spent on cancer research is probably not even 1% of what is spent on treating it. There are orgnizations outside of “the system” doing their own research, but how much funding do you think they really have in comparison to inside the system?Do not make the mistake of associating critisizm of the healthcare industry with doctors and nurses. They don’t make the decisions.That is the same mistake as associating critisizm of war with soldiers and commanders. They don’t make the decisions either.

I accuse no one other than the insurance industry. I think they should be removed from health care as quickly as possible.The problems inherent in the pharmaceutical industry are another matter that needs to be addressed but that is a separate issue.One step at a time.

I accuse no one other than the insurance industry. I think they should be removed from health care as quickly as possible.The problems inherent in the pharmaceutical industry are another matter that needs to be addressed but that is a separate issue.One step at a time.

I feel like rolling up to every smoker I see in the casino and asking ‘What’s it feel like to be a total tool?’

I feel like rolling up to every smoker I see in the casino and asking ‘What’s it feel like to be a total tool?’

No big surprise there!Sadly, so far, it looks like the con-swerve-atives are winning the media/ad wars demonizing the public option.I think there needs to be a major media blitz regarding just how many Americans are covered thru taxpayer $$$$$$$$$$! Not just Medicare and Medicaid/SCHIP, but also every government employee from the POTUS all the way down to the janitor at the local courthouse or city hall!Then add in the subsidies, etc. to hospitals, community clinics, etc. And consider ALL taxation regarding healthcare! Not just federal dollars but taxation at the state, county, and local levels!Then face the realization that if you’re old enough, young enough, disabled enough, poor enough, or employed by any government agency (or an employer that has major government contracts) you are in effect covered by tax $$$$$$$$$!Oh, and lets not exclude the VA! Now, I’m not suggesting that we cut VA benefits, but what’s wrong with a Veteran being able to see any provider of there choice? Especially regarding such things as PTSD or Mild Acquired Brain Injury. (I have personal experience with the latter – NOT service related!)What the current system does is exclude the true working class. Sadly we’re losing!Now, I don’t like the idea of forcing ALL employers to provide coverage. I operated my own small business from 1985 to 1991 and the largest number of non-family employees I had was three. Two full time and one part time. An additional tax would have closed my doors even sooner.Actually during that time, the last year or so, I had to drop my own families health insurance. Thank goodness nothing extreme went wrong.I realize I’m getting too long-winded here, but another thing: I keep hearing this nonsense about Canadians and/or Europians having to wait forever for certain tests. Well, I’ve always lived in rural communities (in Nebraska and Kansas), and unless it’s an absolute emergency we’re used to waiting weeks or even months to get MRI’s and the like!I had colon cancer, and an ascending colon resection, over a decade ago and I was told then to get a colonoscopy every year. Since then it’s been bumped to every two years and lately I was told every five years. I inquired further and it’s not due to “rationing” of Medicare. It’s just that surgeons opinion.That surgeon is also an asshole! He told me that he believed I could overcome my neurological problems if I really set my mind to it! The fuck-head obviously went to the Bill Frist school of medicine!Single payer is the only way to go! Get rid of the middle man! The middle man is the bureaucracy we all fear!

No big surprise there!Sadly, so far, it looks like the con-swerve-atives are winning the media/ad wars demonizing the public option.I think there needs to be a major media blitz regarding just how many Americans are covered thru taxpayer $$$$$$$$$$! Not just Medicare and Medicaid/SCHIP, but also every government employee from the POTUS all the way down to the janitor at the local courthouse or city hall!Then add in the subsidies, etc. to hospitals, community clinics, etc. And consider ALL taxation regarding healthcare! Not just federal dollars but taxation at the state, county, and local levels!Then face the realization that if you’re old enough, young enough, disabled enough, poor enough, or employed by any government agency (or an employer that has major government contracts) you are in effect covered by tax $$$$$$$$$!Oh, and lets not exclude the VA! Now, I’m not suggesting that we cut VA benefits, but what’s wrong with a Veteran being able to see any provider of there choice? Especially regarding such things as PTSD or Mild Acquired Brain Injury. (I have personal experience with the latter – NOT service related!)What the current system does is exclude the true working class. Sadly we’re losing!Now, I don’t like the idea of forcing ALL employers to provide coverage. I operated my own small business from 1985 to 1991 and the largest number of non-family employees I had was three. Two full time and one part time. An additional tax would have closed my doors even sooner.Actually during that time, the last year or so, I had to drop my own families health insurance. Thank goodness nothing extreme went wrong.I realize I’m getting too long-winded here, but another thing: I keep hearing this nonsense about Canadians and/or Europians having to wait forever for certain tests. Well, I’ve always lived in rural communities (in Nebraska and Kansas), and unless it’s an absolute emergency we’re used to waiting weeks or even months to get MRI’s and the like!I had colon cancer, and an ascending colon resection, over a decade ago and I was told then to get a colonoscopy every year. Since then it’s been bumped to every two years and lately I was told every five years. I inquired further and it’s not due to “rationing” of Medicare. It’s just that surgeons opinion.That surgeon is also an asshole! He told me that he believed I could overcome my neurological problems if I really set my mind to it! The fuck-head obviously went to the Bill Frist school of medicine!Single payer is the only way to go! Get rid of the middle man! The middle man is the bureaucracy we all fear!

Ashby, I do understand who you’re (we’re) actually accusing of scumbaggery – but when you (and, yes, Bob) start in on “health-care providers”, I think it’s important that we make it clear where the problem lies. And I didn’t feel that you did that.The troops/doctors comparison is a good one, though. And I certainly don’t want to fall into the republican trap of equating support of the troops/doctors with support of the war machine/insurance industry. Nor do we want to equate disapproval of the war machine/insurance industry with disapproval of troops/doctors. Right?

Ashby, I do understand who you’re (we’re) actually accusing of scumbaggery – but when you (and, yes, Bob) start in on “health-care providers”, I think it’s important that we make it clear where the problem lies. And I didn’t feel that you did that.The troops/doctors comparison is a good one, though. And I certainly don’t want to fall into the republican trap of equating support of the troops/doctors with support of the war machine/insurance industry. Nor do we want to equate disapproval of the war machine/insurance industry with disapproval of troops/doctors. Right?

And, for lagniappe,http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fi-healthcare7-2009jun07,0,3229853.story“Private insurance companies push for ‘individual mandate’”‘Cause it worked *so* well in Massachusetts…

And, for lagniappe,http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-fi-healthcare7-2009jun07,0,3229853.story“Private insurance companies push for ‘individual mandate’”‘Cause it worked *so* well in Massachusetts…

Tobacco contains the essential philotic blockers that keep the black helicopter mind control technology out of your brain.That said, private health insurance companies see zero upside in your long-term health. They are quite aware that you’re likely to belong to someone else’s health plan, or be on Medicare, when such pigeons come home to roost.

Tobacco contains the essential philotic blockers that keep the black helicopter mind control technology out of your brain.That said, private health insurance companies see zero upside in your long-term health. They are quite aware that you’re likely to belong to someone else’s health plan, or be on Medicare, when such pigeons come home to roost.

Say WHAT???!

Say WHAT???!

And what amount do they own in food processors and fast food stocks? You are what you eat – that will never change. It’s good business for them if you continue to eat crap like Lee does.

And what amount do they own in food processors and fast food stocks? You are what you eat – that will never change. It’s good business for them if you continue to eat crap like Lee does.

now we see the evils of capitalism…on paper it seems like a great idea (like socialism and communism) but put it in the hands of human beings and it all falls apart.

now we see the evils of capitalism…on paper it seems like a great idea (like socialism and communism) but put it in the hands of human beings and it all falls apart.