Please Don’t Let Them Win This

As they say, ‘A good lie is easier to believe then the truth’. Especially when that lie is allowed in the newspapers without being challenged. Well paid congress critters too willing to keep that lie alive, along with with the talking heads in the media. How can health care survive when everyone is willing to and allowed to lie?http://www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

As they say, ‘A good lie is easier to believe then the truth’. Especially when that lie is allowed in the newspapers without being challenged. Well paid congress critters too willing to keep that lie alive, along with with the talking heads in the media. How can health care survive when everyone is willing to and allowed to lie?http://www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

Obama is not being bold enough!(And, he won’t be…)The Blue Dogs (and why are they Blue?!) are doing their little dance, but they (D’s and R’s) always protect USA,Inc. which is designed to work for and protect the wealth of those at the very top of the economic apex.It’s always some fucking excuse. Either it’s the GOP crowd, or it’s within the Dem majority.But this provides a handy excuse! “We tried! But those bad guys blocked us! We really wanted to…I swear!”This permits our ONE PARTY (D/R) from going forward with anything meaningful for the masses.All we’re witnessing is a familiar little dance that we’ve seen for a long time. Neither side genuinely wants reform. Neither side really wants to care for the citizens. The game is to suck out as much money from individuals as they can manage to squeeze out of us — be it pennies or thousands. More and more is resting on the backs of individuals and they frame is up as giving us “CHOICE” — everytime I hear a pol talk about “choice” my hairs bristle and I shutter.USA, Inc. is, itself, a profit-making entity and it protects wealth for the top dogs. The Owners & Stockholders of USA, Inc. — that is not you and I.Things like health care and education are expenditures that reduce profit: they never want to ‘take care of the masses’ and it doesn’t matter what the people want! Ever! If it did, it would have been done already. We’ve been fighting this battle for 70 years.It’s all theatrics.Here’s a great article about waiting for Obama to grab the Liberal Torchhttp://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_13225828Obama’s script is already written — he will side-step, appease, provide reasons (excuses) why it just couldn’t get done. It will be wiggly and waffling and soft.He is really not going to be andy kind of s strong force to get this done. Or, if something passes it will be weak, watered down, lame, and still feed the for-profit health care industry.All the drama in between is just a show — a theatrical little soft shoe.I think Obama flips from being “Salesman in Chief”to the “Excuse Delivery Guy in Chief”.He can both sell and excuse very well; you just have to listen.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_13225828Waiting for Obama to grab the liberal torc

EXCERPT:Remember that the Obama campaign inspired an unprecedented grass-roots electoral movement, including experienced activists and political neophytes. It deployed 3,000 organizers to recruit thousands of local volunteer leadership teams (1,100 in Ohio alone). They, in turn, mobilized 1.5 million volunteers and 13.5 million contributors. And throughout the campaign, Obama reminded supporters that the real work of making change would only begin on Election Day.Once in office, the president moved quickly, announcing one ambitious legislative objective after another. But instead of launching a parallel strategy to mobilize supporters, most progressive organizations and Organizing for America — the group created to shepherd Obama’s former campaign volunteers — failed to keep up. The president is not solely responsible for his current predicament; many progressives have not acknowledged their role.Since January, most advocacy groups committed to Obama’s reform objectives (labor unions, community organizations, environmentalists and netroots groups such as MoveOn) have pushed the pause button. Organizing for America, for example, encouraged Obama’s supporters to work on local community service projects, such as helping homeless shelters and tutoring children. That’s fine, but it’s not the way to pass reform legislation.One Obama campaign volunteer from Delaware County, Pa., put it this way soon after the election: “We’re all fired up now, and twiddling our thumbs! …”________Campaigning was the courtship phase; now, we’re married and we’re listening to him snore, and it’s annoying.

It’s really not that difficult to see how the utterly ridiculous lies have taken root: “Conservatives” and their big business masters manipulated the media out of their watchdog role by accusing them of being liberal because the truth didn’t agree with right-wing propoganda. Instead of fighting back, the MSM tried to prove they were balanced by becoming mere stenographers and providing false equivalencies for everything.

Now, we have about half the population that doesn’t believe anything they didn’t hear on faux news.

It’s really not that difficult to see how the utterly ridiculous lies have taken root: “Conservatives” and their big business masters manipulated the media out of their watchdog role by accusing them of being liberal because the truth didn’t agree with right-wing propaganda. Instead of fighting back, the MSM tried to prove they were balanced by becoming mere stenographers and providing false equivalencies for everything.

Now, we have about half the population that doesn’t believe anything they didn’t hear on faux news.

Spot on Bob! I want both the Blue Dogs and Republicans humiliated. What I’d also like to see is every Blue Dog who doesn’t vote for the public option ostrasized. No attendence at the signing of the bill and to have any other legislation put forward by them defeated by their fellow Dems as pay back for their duplicity! These people need their asses kicked and kicked badly! If you want to vote like a Republican, get the fuck out of our party!

Sadly, I’m on Terri’s side of the cynic fence. Obama’s never been the ‘fighter’ we want him to be now. He’s the politician. And Emanuel, who may be the pit bull/bad cop, seems like he wants re-election at any cost. This ‘debate’ should not even be happening. If the powerful corporatists cared about the health of its citizenry, health care would’ve happened, reform or otherwise. As Bill Moyers also said, we’re the only western-style democracy that doesn’t provide for the health of all its citizens.

Sadly, I’m on Terri’s side of the cynic fence. Obama’s never been the ‘fighter’ we want him to be now. He’s the politician. And Emanuel, who may be the pit bull/bad cop, seems like he wants re-election at any cost. This ‘debate’ should not even be happening. If the powerful corporatists cared about the health of its citizenry, health care would’ve happened, reform or otherwise. As Bill Moyers also said, we’re the only western-style democracy that doesn’t provide for the health of all its citizens.

WHERE DID THIS OBAMA GO!!!!A step back in time: Obama in the health care debate early in the campaign season!THIS is the guy we worked tirelessly for!THIS is the man we gave our money to!HE (the campaigning Obama)understands the issue…and he calls for a President who will FIGHT!Where did he go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuRLwReqTxw&feature=relatedHere's the YOUTUBE Link: Obama in health care debate…around the 3:00 mark

CANDIDATE OBAMA DURING CAMPAIGN HEALTH CARE DEBATE:”We’ve had plans before…the drug insurance companies have spent a billion dollars over the last decade on lobbying….that’s why we have to make sure we have a president who is willing to fight…to make sure they can’t buy every single chair [at the table].” – Candidate Obama, spoken with passion and outrage.

Where did he go?Who the HELL knows but he certainly is gone.ONE TERM and big losses in 2010. That’s how this will end. We had our chance and AS USUAL we blew it all to hell because the WH-not us certainly-wanted to be BI PARTISAN.Well how’s that working btw???

If you think this is bad, just wait until energy and climate legislation is debated.“If we can’t win reform against these clownish opponents, we probably don’t deserve to win.”We can’t even win the torture debate. Torture defenders should be the most easily humiliated, but there’s Dick Cheney calling investigations into blatant warcrimes, “political.”And the media makes no bones about giving the documented liars and fearmongers the benefit of the doubt.Dick Cheney and the Republican party are little tyrants and demons and terrorists by any other name. But there’s Dick Cheney and his wingnut daughter making the rounds on TV, dictating the narrative and easily injecting reasonable doubt into the jury of public opinion. It’s sort of ironic that Dick Cheney is being figuratively waterboarded and deprived of sleep, and while no one has threatened to rape and kill his daughter, there he is, offering her up just to make it all go away.Who said this was all going to come easy because we thought we won an election and super-majority?Crazy people and liars don’t take a day off. It’s an unrelenting assault and we’re not going to accomplish very much if we’re always playing defense against demonstrably crazy liars.There comes a time when the majority must not lose their shit and eventually ignore the people carrying The End Is Near signs.The war on drugs began as a purely racist endeavor by southern whites and the Klan. We’re still imprisoning addicts. ADDICTS! to the sum of hundreds of billions of dollars. But there’s druggie Rush Limbaugh, in the irony of ironies, firing up the southern racist zombies to get out there and eat some brains. BRAINS!!!Instead of dealing with issues like adults telling the children it’s bedtime, the children are the ruling Lord of the Flies conch-smokers here.We’re allowing torture orderers a platform to promote torture, and bloated drug addicts to stir southern goobers and racists to the point of domestic terrorism.A majority of the media legitimizing a minority of the people with institutionally entrenched old money, is the stuff in which underdog stories are made.

Where’s Obama? where’s Obama? Liberals have been wanting health care reform long before he came on the scene. Why do you guys need him to be this uber fire breathing liberal in order to get the other Dems moving on health care? Just watching the GOP and the right wing lie and manipulate the American people should be all the motivation anyone needs to fight and fight hard.The campaign is over, no more daily rallies, no more speeches 1 or 2 or 3 times a week. He doesn’t have time to answer every attack, he actually has a shit load of troubles now and can’t pat us on the back every day. I would put money on it that Obama has worked the hardest on reform and has taken the most hits for it. I will give no medals to anyone because they wrote an article, a book or did a segment on health care reform. I will give no medals to any Dems in congress who suddenly decide they have a mouth and are now all over the tv taking a strange delight in mildly bashing Obama over health care – accusing him of sleeping on the job and acting as if they have come to save the day. Where the heck have any of them been when Obama kept saying he can’t do this by himself? As I used to tell one of my co-workers: Thank you for doing your job!The campaign is over, Obama is not next to you snoring. He’s off working an 18-hour shift while too many of us are sitting home watching soap operas. It’s time we did our share. And man was I proud to see the pictures from the times square rally on saturday – THAT’s TEH AWESOME.

If the Public Option is what Obama wants then why aren’t we seeing more savvy and fight from him?Obama the candidate was able to bypass the Clinton machine during the campaign. He blew past Hillary and the Dem machine that the Clinton’s had built up over many years — remember when Hillary was facing her coronation?He got elected — a black man named Barack Hussein Obama — and got big money support.He even changed RED states BLUE for god’s sake!This man seemed invincible and a real winner! If he was able to “get the job done” by winning the presidency….surely, the thinking went, he could also get the job done in office.I had every confidence in him, based on how he won the White House.Obama is a suave, elegenic, media savvy, technologically skilled, president who came in riding high with amazing poll numbers and support.He was able to convince and persuade so many — unlikely voters and big money supporters — to trust him and get behind him.So, why isn’t he doing the same for a policy he wants to put forth?He’s not fighting for it in the same way that he fought to win the presidency — in a system that was stacked against him.

It’s funny, Terri, that you would mention Obama’s fight against the Clintons and the fact that he beat them, yet you would criticize him using HIS strategy to get healthcare done. I’m guessing you also were not too happy that Obama wasn’t “fighting” during the campaign. I’m also guessing if Obama had done it your way, he would be sitting in the US Senate right now instead of the White House. You’ve mentioned before that you ran for public office, and I believe you lost. If you couldn’t convince a few thousand people to vote you in, how are you in any position to bash Obama’s methods? It would seem that you would have a really clear view on how difficult it is to change people’s mind along with the understanding that one person, no matter how dedicated, cannot do anything alone.