The Public Option

I’m at a complete loss about this. The president in a Colorado town hall yesterday:

“The public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of healthcare reform. This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it,” Obama said. “And by the way, it’s both the right and the left that have become so fixated on this that they forget everything else.”

This certainly sounds like the president is damning the public option as just another throwaway provision in the reform plan. Which, of course, is absolutely not the case. The public option isn’t a sliver — it’s a very important chunk of the whole thing.

Politically, the broader signal this sends is the president seems much more willing to jettison it. For some reason. Perhaps it’s the Senate blue dogs and a lack of votes. Perhaps it’s the Republicans. Perhaps (looking at the cup half full) it’s part of this current head fake about wanting to continue the bipartisanship effort. I have no idea. But I think we, his base, deserve a fuller explanation.

Benen quoted Paul Krugman who made an excellent point about the public option and its inclusion: “It’s not so much that the public option has to be in the final bill, but if it’s not in, there better damn well be something else, some really serious reforms. In a sense, it has become a litmus test. If the bill does not have a public option, it’s going to take a much, much higher bar on the rest of it to get me to accept it.”

I absolutely agree with this. If there’s no public option and, instead, a non-profit co-op situation, then the regulations, the co-op and the reforms contained in the bill would have to collectively achieve everything the public option would’ve forced upon the health insurance marketplace.

To that point, there’s one thing no amount of regulation can solve without a public option, and that is allowing us to have health insurance without subsidizing the criminal private insurers. In other words, one major plus with the public option is that I wouldn’t be giving money to an industrial sector that I consider to be a criminal syndicate. There’s a conscience factor about the public option that I find very appealing. Because even with serious regulations, I’d have a very difficult time paying premiums to Blue Cross or Aetna or Cigna.

Back to the politics. Ultimately, the president is falling prey to the dreaded DCD (Democratic Capitulation Disease). And I’m wondering whether it ends here, or if whenever the blue dogs and Republican stomp their tiny feet the president will relegate more items to the “sliver” category. At this point, he’s definitely set a precedent for doing so.

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  • idabamaho

    Bob,We are going to get mandated insurance and no public option. Then they will blame the Democrats after everyone figures out they are required by law to buy insurance from a private provider. If you want to cushion the blow, buy Aetna stock right now.

  • brutlyhonest

    I have no insight into what’s going on behind the scenes, but taking with my wife and in-laws the other day something occurred to me that would easily be as good as a public option: My F-I-L is a retired NASA engineer and has a great plan tat has taken very good care of him. So, how about everyone is eligible for the same insurance programs as federal employees? The collective bargaining power of that group gives them several plans to choose from. All are relatively inexpensive and no one gets kicked out when they get sick.

    There still plenty of profit to be made (if not obscene profits) running the programs.

    I’d prefer a NHS-like system for all, but with all the spineless, selfish assholes we’ve elected that’s unlikely so quality, affordable insurance for all is probably the best we can hope for.

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    This is from the Op-Ed in the NY Times..

    First, if you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of high-quality, affordable coverage for yourself and your family — coverage that will stay with you whether you move, change your job or lose your job.

    Also, I listened to the Town Hall with Valerie Jarrett yesterday morning from Netroots Nation.. I don’t know how many of you all did.. The video is out there.. if you want it.. it’s on Facebook and several other places.. I think NN even has their own website.. Not sure if Matt was at that one or not.. But she stated unequivocally that a PUBLIC OPTION was on the table and was the only way the President was going. He was still standing strong on it but that he couldn’t say for sure what was going to be in the final bill because .. and I am going to get “LOUD”..THERE IS NO FINAL FUCKING BILL.That’s why he has to say it like he does.. good god people.. will you stop nitpicking every little word or letter of what he says… he has been consistent since day one of saying he wants a public option.. but if he doesn’t say it everyday, 100% strong and loud you all jump on him like stink on shit that he is failing…Again from the Op-Ed:

    In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain. But for all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing. If we maintain the status quo, we will continue to see 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance every day. Premiums will continue to skyrocket. Our deficit will continue to grow. And insurance companies will continue to profit by discriminating against sick people.

    The emphasis is mine, because you are running scared, just like the right wingers and all the insurance companies and the lobbyists want you to.I don’t know what Sebelius is talking about.. I didn’t hear it.. and I haven’t a clue what is in her mind.. But there is no one, NO ONE other than Michelle that is closer to the President than Valerie Jarret.. and she said she asked him Friday, before being there Saturday to make sure she said the correct thing.So, take it for what it is worth, ignore me if you want to.. but I am sick and damn tired of all of you putting this President down every time you think he isn’t doing just what you think he should or saying the exact words you think he should use.Chuck Todd is doing the same thing… Yep, it’s dead.. So, then lets just give up and stay home and quit writing anyone..Well.. Gov. Dean, and Bill Clinton didn’t agree with either of those principles and neither do I, for what that is worth, and I know most of you don’t think my word is worth much, but most of you wrote him off time after time during the election too, and looks whose ass is sitting in the White House.Oh, by the way… do you know where John McCain is this weekend?He is in Liberia with Qaddafi… palling around with terrorists much?maddow: Wait. Senator McCain is *where*? http://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/3331878099

  • ceu

    Enough Congresscritters have said that they won’t vote for a bill without a public option that there’s no chance that Obama will sign on without it.This happens REPEATEDLY. Something is said by a WH or executive branch source and it gets widely discussed on the internets and the talk shows & everyone gets a chance to have their opinions aired and then it moves on.It’s a pattern. Learn to recognize it for what it is. And remember that CONGRESS is in charge of all this…for the moment.

  • roxsteady

    If there is no public option, I won’t vote for Obama or any Democrat! I’m certainly not going to vote Republican. I’ll just stay home. I’m also going to call my Senators and Congressmen and let them know this as well! No public option, is not an option!

  • Eric

    I’ve followed the links and read the comments there, and everybody is sure pissed and talking doom and gloom, and Bob, up there at the top, was kinda leaning that way, and I have to admit I was starting to feel the same way, and now I’m thinking about all of the studies I’ve seen talking about how thought processes and reasoning are completely different in a large group/mob situation…And then I read Annette’s comment. Thank you for that, Annette.

  • Chris Koeber

    Wow, Bob, I happen to disagree with you here.For one, Annette is right. Wait until the final bill before you start crying. Obama realizes something that the entire left is missing out on here. It’s extremely important to get all of the bills out of conference so that they can be reconciled, etc. Have the Senate Finance Committee’s version of the Healthcare bill voted down and you will have the Blue Dog Dems and Moderate Republicans bail so fast it will make your head spin.And second, let’s be all melancholy and say that there isn’t a Public Option in the final bill. Vote against it?Take a look at this timeline.Notice that since 1961 there has been little headway in getting major legislation passed. We were offered several compromises from the Republicans during that timeframe that we could have taken but didn’t because we wanted our legislation to be “pure”. And guess what? Those compromises were actually better than what we are getting now.Every time you say not good enough, you kick the can another TWENTY years.Let’s get something on the books. It may not be pretty but we can then come back years later and improve.Far better than our track record of being pure and getting little to nothing at all to show for it.

  • roxsteady

    I’m not concerned about the Republicans because they have no power but, I’m glad that ads continue to run against the spineless blue dogs. What I’d like the Whitehouse to do is to poll the blue dog’s districts as well as every major city on where they stand on the public option. This will enable them to smack down any bullshit lies they hear from the blue dogs about their district’s lack of support for the public option and everyone elses. These are the polls that Gallup and the rest should be taking but don’t. I can admit to being agitated by some of the garbage that gets spun out by the media but, I still think it’s important for us all to state clearly what we expect out of healthcare reform and that must include a public option. That has to be clear and like the election there have to be consequences! As for the media I can guarantee you that the lead story tomorrow will be the statement by Kathleen Sebelius that a public option is not essential. It will likely be the first question that Robert Gibbs gets tomorrow!

  • Chris Koeber

    If there is no public option, I won’t vote for Obama or any Democrat! I’m certainly not going to vote Republican. I’ll just stay home. I’m also going to call my Senators and Congressmen and let them know this as well! No public option, is not an option!

    There you go! If there is no public option let the Republicans win!Awesome thinking. And when I say awesome I mean stupid.

  • http://nanotyrnns.blogspot.com/ Nanotyrannus

    I don’t think he’ll except a co-op. I think this is part of the strategy to allow the Blue Dogs/Republicans to think they are still in on the negotiations. They have to believe they have some degree of control or input or they’ll collapse into tantrumy five year olds that push back against everything. He’s been in the Senate. He knows how much these egos/cocks have to be stroked or you get no cooperation. It’s a sick system, but he knows how it works and probably how to work it, in spite of childish Republican attacks that he’s too wet behind the ears.I think more than a few Blue Dogs and Republicans are about to get their asses handed to them, and afterward, bet on it, they’ll all hit the talk show circuit to praise their own participation in making sure the public option made it to the final bill.

  • http://www.bobcesca.com Bob_Cesca

    Annette and Chris,I’m not suggesting the public option is dead. Not by a long shot.But in a political/tactical sense this sends a signal that the White House is willing to let it go if it comes down to it, rather than using its considerable muscle to make sure the four bills with the public option have strong unwavering support from the White House. On the surface, it appears as though six corrupt senators on the Finance Committee as well as this bullshit “government takeover” line are forcing White House policy. Not good.Here’s the message I’m getting right now from the White House. “The public option is necessary to keep the health insurers honest. But we won’t push for that (keeping them honest). For some reason we haven’t made clear yet.”I’ve been really attempting to give the president tons of latitude on this because of what he’s been able to achieve so far, the election being one of many achievements.And you’re both right: the actual bill remains to be seen. What I tend to do as a political writer, however, is to lay out a shifting narrative in my head with the goal of tracking where all of this is headed. I’ve seen a softening — not an abandoning as Drudge is ballyhooing today — but a softening on the public option. It’s not in the president’s WSJ piece. It was diminished in importance at the CO town hall. And then there’s the Sebelius remarks.This doesn’t mean I hate the president or that the whole thing is doomed. It just means that perhaps we, as his base, have lost focus recently.It’s time to go back to the phones with the same ferocity we had back when the public option was originally under threat. Remember the Coalition of the Corrupt and Spineless? When the netroots rose up and called our representatives and reminded them about the polls and such, the public option made its way back into the president’s speeches and we won more congressional commitments to it. This can happen again. So let’s go!

  • http://www.bobcesca.com Bob_Cesca

    If there is no public option, I won’t vote for Obama or any Democrat!

    No, no! Wrong! This is counterproductive. If you want the public option THIS badly, then get on the phone and call your representatives in Congress. Call the White House! I’ll be posting a thing later with instructions.This latest chapter shouldn’t be the end of the public option. It’s up to us to breathe life into it again. And we can do it.

  • likala

    Huge amen and thanks Annette!!! I’m sick of all the doom and gloom, the sky is falling rhetoric also. Talk about raining, or more accurately, pissing on a parade.

  • NorCalNative

    Capitalism has swamped Democracy. Our predatory and parasitical insurance industry needs radical reform, not incremental realpolitik bullshit.

  • http://broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl™

    Bob,

    That Obama paragraph by itself looks damning, but I caught that part of the town hall and you have to take that quote in larger context. He was answering a question from yet another imbecile who is worried about fair competition for the private insurance industry that’s been ass fucking us for decades.

    Here’s the entirety of the quote:

    Q: My question is this. And also, I’d love to have a debate, just all out, anytime, Oxford-style, if you’d like. (Laughter.) I understand — I’m willing to do that. But my question is this. We all know the best way to reduce prices in this economy is to increase competition. How in the world can a private corporation providing insurance compete with an entity that does not have to worry about making a profit, does not have to pay local property taxes — (applause) — they do not have to — they’re not subject to local regulations? How can a company compete with that? And I’m not looking for anything — I don’t want generalities. I don’t want philosophical arguments. I’m just asking a question.

    THE PRESIDENT: That’s a great question. Thank you for the question. (Applause.)

    Now, I just want to point out that I partially answered the question earlier by explaining that certainly they can’t compete if the taxpayer is standing behind the public option just shoveling more and more money at it, right? That’s certainly not fair. And so I’ve already said I would not be in favor of a public option of that sort because that would just mean more expenses out of our pockets and we wouldn’t be seeing much improvement in quality.

    It is true that there are certain costs associated with a private business that a government would not have to worry about; you mentioned a couple of them. It’s not just, by the way, property taxes; it’s also things like just the cost of capital. In terms of the cost of borrowing, a public option — insurance companies have to have a lot of money on hand and it’s conceivable that a private entity that’s having to pay a certain interest rate for their money would be really undermined if the government is able to get money much cheaper implicitly because Uncle Sam backs this operation.

    So that’s why I say, this is actually a legitimate debate. I think that we can craft a system in which you’ve got a public option that has to operate independently, not subsidized by taxpayers — it would be nonprofit, but we’ve already got nonprofits out there like BlueCross BlueShield — that they would have to go on the market and get a market price for capital, so they wouldn’t be able to just have the Federal Reserve write them a check. I think there are ways that we can address those competitive issues. And you’re absolutely right, if they’re not entirely addressed, then that raises a set of legitimate problems.

    But the only point I wanted to make was the notion that somehow just by having a public option you have the entire private marketplace destroyed is just not borne out by the facts. And in fact, right now you’ve got a lot of private companies who do very well competing against the government. UPS and FedEx are doing a lot better than the post office. (Applause.) No, they are. And so — but the larger point I want to make — and it’s good to see a young person who’s very engaged and confident challenging the President to a Oxford-style debate, I think this is good. (Applause.) You know, the — this is good. You know, I like that. You got to have a little chutzpah, you know.

    This is a legitimate debate to have. All I’m saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it. And by the way, it’s both the right and the left that have become so fixated on this that they forget everything else, like the fact that we can help Nathan make sure that he doesn’t suddenly find himself — (applause) — completely broke in trying to treat his son.

    So we are working on a series of proposals to address the questions that you’re raising. I believe that we can work them out. But those are specific questions as opposed to broad, philosophical questions about whether government ever has a role to play or not.

    Keep in mind, finally — and this is the last point that I’ll make — that you have a bunch of countries that have systems in which government is involved but you still have a thriving private insurance market — The Netherlands being a good example. Everybody is covered. Everybody has care. The government has regulations in there. But it does not somehow take over the entire private insurance market. So I just want people to understand nobody is talking about a government takeover of health care. I want to repeat that one last time.

    The only thing that bugs me about that whole thing was the post office comparison. Please, Mr. President, stop comparing a public option to the perceived crapiness of the post office system if you intend to sell it.

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    Actually, scratch the phones and letters.. Dr./Gov. Dean said the other night the best thing to do was emails.. Phones and or letters show where you are from and if you are out of the legislative district they do not have to take your calls..At my website I did a post about it and showed his web site and Bill Press’s website because they both have the names of all the Blue Dogs and the ones who say they do NOT support the public option.. those are the ones we need to concentrate on.. they need to be contacted over and over.. EMAIL…because it doesn’t give away your home address…So, either go to the Bill Press web site, or Gov/Dr. Dean’s site or my site and get the names and start emailing these jerks and tell them you want the public option.. over and over again.. and if they are in your district then really hammer them.. and also email all your friends and family.. it’s to their benefit too.Pres. Clinton and Dr. Dean also talked about how to blog and present the argument for reform.. and they BOTH said they read the blogs…I was impressed by that..

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    And thanks for the flowers everyone.. but I just think we are hanging wreaths and digging the graves a little too quickly and need to stop it.The patient isn’t dead yet…

  • Redmond

    Thanks for posting all that, Carl!

  • Stranahan

    There’s no doom and gloom – there’s reality and slowly more and more people are coming to accept.The Obama administration sold out the Senate Finance Committee version of ‘reform’ – lobbyist approved reform that will NOT include a public option coming of that committee.See Kent Conrad’s comments today if you have ANY doubt of that.The White House already cast there lot AGAINST the house.

  • http://politicalpartypooper.wordpress.com/ Political Party Pooper

    Bob,you know I’ve been fighting for the Public option. You also know I wanted the first option to be single payer; I felt we had to start using the strength of sixty Democratic Senators rather than somewhat negating that strength by offering a Public Option that would compete with Private Insurers. Nevertheless, once I saw the benefits of a Public option, I was on board.If it doesn’t happen, Bob, I’m going to look at the Democratic Party as the weak dogs they’ve always been. My God, sixty Senators are Democratic and you can’t pass a Public option? What good is a political party if you all aren’t on the same page with most important legislation of the last twenty years?Useless. That’s what political parties are. I know that you know I feel that way. I still feel I have to say it.I won’t stop fighting for it. Neither will every Independent I know. Even when all of the Democrats compromise once again to save their legislative asses, we won’t stop fighting, and talking.We all know how useless, racketeerish, and smug the Republican Party is. If the Democrats compromise into a system that subsidizes private insurers even more, I think you can kiss Independent support goodbye, for the Senate, the House, and the White House.I won’t vote for a Republican either. Who knows. Maybe this legislation will mark the beginning of the end for political parties in this nation. Your party holds a MAJORITY, something I think every and any Party member needs to realize isn’t even written into the Constitution. That your Party wouldn’t know how to use it just shows how asinine Parties are.Tell me who to call and who to write. This fight isn’t over yet, and I am hopeful that President Obama walks that statement backward. But if he doesn’t, and if your Party makes the majority of the uninsured and underinsured vassals of the Insurance Syndicate, they will have proven that this entire episode was just a big charade designed to get more campaign money from the criminals. Or, at least, that’s how I’ll be spinning it.

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    Robert Gibbs was on Face the Nation this morning.. and he talked about the PUBLIC OPTION at least 3 times.. he didn’t draw a line in the sand but he said he couldn’t.. because.. THERE IS NO BILL..But he said the President still wants a public option.. Oh and BTW, he is in Phoenix, WITH THE PRESIDENT.

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    Here is Dr. Dean’s site..http://www.democracyforamerica.com/Here is Bill Press’s site..http://www.billpress.com/They both have the names of the Congress men and women you need to contact who have said they Do Not Support the Public Option. They are the ones you need to contact.. BY EMAIL.. and let them know they need to reconsider if they want democratic votes in the future..That’s what Dr. Dean said.. he said if they want to remain in their seats to support a public option, if they want to be primaried by another democrat then vote against it.

  • ec

    I have question about this poll that keeps being referenced. It says that 46% or so of those polled think that Obama is doing a poor job on health care.I think that he is doing a poor job on health care and I support him. The healthers think that he is not doing a good a good job and they don’t support him.We are on opposite sides of the fence but we would answer the question in the same way.Has anyone addressed this?

  • http://annette-justmylittlepieceoftheworld.blogspot.com/ Annette

    @ EC.. why yes, yes they have… I am glad you asked that… I was just getting ready to write up a post about that, from the Video Cafe @ Crooks and Liars and Bill Moyers Journal we have this..http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-moyers-journal-medias-distortion-heal

    And so it’s not creating context in which misinformation on both sides can be corrected. And that’s the problem. We don’t have a deliberative process here taking place in public to inform public opinion.Instead, we’re potentially distorting it.DREW ALTMAN: But I think what also happens is, the concerns of most Americans, of average Americans, just get lost in this process. This whole debate began because of the real problems and worries that average people are having paying their health care bills. And what we really have here are the strong concerns and fears– and you don’t want to minimize them; it’s part of our democracy– that some people have about this legislation.But the worries that average people have that we see in our polls about paying their bills get lost. And in instead we’re debating other things, fears that people have that really aren’t there in the legislation.BILL MOYERS: How do we decide who these people represent? I mean, are they just a fringe element that are like honey to the cameras of the press? Or is there something else going on that’s difficult at this moment to measure?KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: I’m not sure that we should be trying to measure it. I worry about public opinion polls coming into this environment and asking questions that may actually distort our understanding of what the public knows. Unless you start by asking the public in a poll what they know, what the baseline level of knowledge is, it doesn’t matter what the public thinks ultimately about a piece of legislation or not because you can be reflecting uninformed public opinion.But the nature of public opinion it’s expressed in “USA Today” in– at a front-page piece that appeared on Thursday of this week which says “Protests Tilt Views on Health Care Bill.” Now that’s reflecting the results of a poll that asked about people’s response not to the health care bill but to the protests about the health care bill.But the headline leads you to think it’s about the health care bill itself. And it suggests that public opinion is now shifting dramatically away from the Obama health care reform efforts.BILL MOYERS: So the protests seem to be making some people more sympathetic to the protesters?KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON: And potentially the press then picks that up, polls, finds that sympathy, creates a structure that suggests that health care reform initiatives are losing support. Now polls have driven press coverage which says “Obama on the defensive. Obama struggling to explain. Obama trying,” when, in fact, the dynamic under that has been created by a news structure that decided to cover this in a certain way, to do polling in a certain way. And those two things played into the process to make it more difficult for the discussion to actually happen about the substance of what’s going on.DREW ALTMAN: So it’s exactly right. So we have the protests, the media coverage, especially the 24-hour news cycle, follows the protests and the town meetings. Then the polls poll about the media coverage of the protests. And we create almost an alternative reality about what is occurring out there.When you look at the real polls about where the public actually is, what you see is there’s been a little bit of a tick down in public support and people are getting a little anxious as they follow the media coverage. But still the majority of the American people are for moving forward with this.And we have seen more people begin to say, “Gee, I’m not so sure that this is good for me and my family,” but it’s still a small number. It’s only 20, 22 percent who say, “I’m a little bit worried about this.” And a much bigger number say, “I still think this is good for me and my family.” And then you’ve got a group in the middle who’s not so sure. And everyone’s fighting for that group on both sides.

    And there is much more.. there is also of course video..

  • ceu

    It’s time to go back to the phones with the same ferocity we had back when the public option was originally under threat.which is exactly what I think the objective was in floating the comments were. 60-70% of Americans support a public option. Let their voices be heard as loudly as those of the death panels believers’.

  • ec

    I posted this earlier today on HP and I stand by it. I think that the Republicans are taking a long view on this. They don’t really care about “death panels” or Obama for that matter. They just want to keep their own place in society at all costs.Granted, I am influenced by Jeff Sharlett’s “The Family” that I am reading. But, he exposes a very scary side of American politics. Here goes:Health care is currently rationed based on wealth and power and that is the way that the conservatives want it. It helps them to cull the herd of the poor, ill, disabled, and minorities. Even if these targeted groups don’t actually die off, they will be so financially burdened by their health concerns that they will never be able to contest the current distribution of power and wealth.The conservative crazies keep referencing Nazi Germany, but they are trying to do the same thing, only slower.

  • Chris Koeber

    To the single-payer first supporters out there (aka PPP and Stranahan):As so many have mentioned repeatedly, the plan would be DEAD ON ARRIVAL.The conservative and republicans are already screaming about a non-existant take-over of the health insurance industry. Imagine if that plan the are screaming about became real?Under your scenario all of the Republicans in both chambers plus 35 Democratic Senators and about 100-150 Democratic House members would have voiced a solid no as soon as that plan hit their desks. Obama would then have an unpassable bill and all of his credibility would have been shot.All of your phone calls, videos, emails, etc. would be for nothing. Blue Dogs would have NEVER went for it. And if Obama would then have backed down and offer a public option you guys would be whining the same way you are whining now about how he “betrayed” the single-payer cause.In short: calm down and refocus.Your enemy is not Obama. Fight back against the birthers/deathers/insurance companies and keep the pressure there on the public front. At the same time, make the phone calls, emails, etc. that will pressure the moderates (including the white house) behind the scenes.

  • likala

    “THERE IS NO FINAL FUCKING BILL”Plus, how can all the so-called changes and deletions of the bills be being made NOW when Congress isn’t even in session?

  • http://mah.smugmug.com maheanuu

    Being Retired Military, over 70 yrs in age, I already have Medicare. Also, being a Citizen of Tahiti and thereby being French, I have single payer CPS that costs me nothing and with nothing to pay out for my meds or for my doctors visits, or hospitalization if I should need it.When I was living in the USA (just a little over a month ago) I had VA Hosp. benefits under Medicare, but still paid for my medicines… Thanx to Ronnie (The Empty Suit) Reagan. I hope that where ever that putz is that someone is shoveling on another cubic meter of red hot coals on his shriveled ass….Damn! It’s good living in a country where you are treated like an adult and respected for the fact that you are a person…One thing for certain, if this group of lily livered buttwipes back down from the public option, I will do my damndest to see that they do not hold public office beyond this term…I worked for 4 years for our President to see him elected, and will word doubly hard to see that he is not re elected should he back down from the Public Option.Just this old Chief’s 2 cents

  • http://nowherethemiddle.blogspot.com/ Elizabeth
  • JDS

    It is very unfortunate that as many people don’t watch Moyers as watch the cable programming. You could replace the countless hours of nonsense with his one hour a week and all would be better informed and therefore better off.I have not given up on Obama at all. Not at all.I completely trust him to go at this better than anyone else could with greater probability of success. What politician/President could we possibly wish for in his place when you are considering the players?Like he said yesterday,he can’t make everyone happy.Both sides are acting like he is a tyrant and can make laws. While he cannot make laws,I would bet on him over anyone to be able to outwit the opposition and get more of what he wants in the end than anyone else we could have leading the fight.I really appreciate the thoughts Annette has expressed here.

  • http://nowherethemiddle.blogspot.com/ Elizabeth

    JDS, some of us do watch Moyers, you know — and remember his recent interview with Trudy Lieberman and Marcia Angell who have flatly stated that the Obama’s health care reform, from what we know about it so far (and that was before today’s news) looks like a “bonanza for the private industry.” If you have not seen it, go here or directly to Moyers’ Journal and look it up.

  • Lexaburn

    I’m not going to let the media swine get into my mind.Keep your heads up, and do not be discouraged until the deal is done. Part of the problem here is nearly everyone here is presenting themselves as having an ear to all that is going on. I know would behoove a few of us here to come back down to earth and recognize that half of what we’re hearing is political posturing, nothing more. The season is ripe for the blustery blunderbusses. Some of us get so upset at discredited nitwits like Gingrich, McCaughey, Palin, and many, many others because the swine within the media sphere pays undue reverence to their commentary. Stop letting this stuff get to you. I know some of you people are less busy than Lexaburn, so go out and enjoy yourselves. You can do this in a plethora of ways, including personally going door to door in those districts where the supposedly frustrated ‘fraidy cats hijacking town halls to laugh in their faces or something. Just stop letting the swine manipulate you. Recall the 08 election and all the sensationalism that went along with it. We knew the GOP had no choice but to be the impotent ignoramuses that they always are, but you all seem to be up and down in your support for the swine media. Do you not understand that half of this…political minutia may not have even been paid a second thought if cable shows weren’t promoting each and every twist and turn as if it were all a sports event?Fuck it – I’ll make it plain: WE ARE BEING PLAYED LIKE SAPS BY THE SWINE PEDDLING POLITICAL DRAMA CONSTANTLY!!!Now some of you may be aware of this and feel the need to have the rush of political intrigue in your life. If so, be honest about the fact. But, these constant bouts of caterwauling over each and every switch in a political game of chess or checkers are similar to those of rabid viewers of “reality show” programs. Wake the hell up or be honest with yourselves.Seriously. Before the public option compromise was the very last straw with some of the same people complaining that the co-op option is the devil. Now, I’m all for the single-payer and/or the public option. I’m being as patient as I can with a Democratic Administration that I know damned well is hampered by a spineless party of Democrats, per usual. I was aware of said spineless party before I’d ever cast my vote on November 4th of last year. I knew it last year during the nonsensical Dem primary where 2/3 of the party was on TV spreading falsehoods about the other, while the rest were too busy placating Republicons and FNC. You think any of the current quibbles shock me? Get the fuck outta here!Perhaps an historic change is on the verge of taking place in terms of how Americans receive health care. Perhaps not. All I know is I’m waiting until I see the final act in a show I cannot compel myself to ignore completely. At least I’m honest enough with myself to know that I’m being placated by the fourth estate, which now believes its job is to compete with Hollywood for attention.*sigh*Good evening, everyone.

  • JDS

    Thanks Elizabeth. I was not referring to the people here not seeing Moyers. I mean the public in general. I just feel like a better informed general public would have us in a very different situation right now.I did see that program the night it was on. I take the CJR and Lieberman covers this very closely I know. I may not be right but I believe President Obama will do the best that can be done and that we can’t know yet how it will play out or what is really going on behind the scenes. So I am happy to see Bob reminding us there is more we can do. I realize most of us have already been consistently contacting all of these people as well as our own reps and we have to continue and get our friends to do the same.

  • Rogect8

    This is just further proof that Obama is a good politician. One thing all politicians have in common is that when they are presented with failure, they simply redefine ‘success.’The Blue Dogs being what they are (dumb), and the rest of the congressional democrats being what they are (spineless), the public option was pretty much dead on arrival. Surely by now Obama realizes this, so he’s beginning to redefine success before failure has even occurred (instead of waiting until afterward like Bush the Lesser).I guess I should be happy that he’s being a realist and trying to preserve some political capital…but in reality, I’m just saddened by democrats’ inability to get things accomplished. Guess if I want health insurance I’ll just have to make a contribution to the trust fund of a BCBS CEO just like everyboody else…