The Measure of Reform

I’ve been thinking about how to peg yesterday’s very historic reform victory in the House.

Clearly 220 House votes for healthcare reform with a level-playing field public option and a conservative anti-choice amendment is about as good as it gets with a very popular Democratic president and a wide majority in the House. In other words, with all of the momentum for reform, this is about as much reform (in terms of policy) as popularity and majorities can buy, given the level of opposition.

As much as I’d like to see single-payer, this ought to prove that such a thing would never have reached this point, and it would’ve derailed the broader reform effort for another generation. In fact, it appears as though reform with a robust Medicare-based public option and no Stupak amendment might not have passed either.

It illustrates how powerful the cartel and opponents of reform really are. It also shows how backwards, cowardly and ignorant some of the conservadems and Blue Dogs really are as well. (Despite their chickenshit fears, this reform bill is an easy sell. But some Democrats still fear the marginalized wingnut teabaggery.)

I’ve been thinking about what sort of realistic scenario would’ve passed single-payer or a fully robust public option in the “more liberal” House. How large would the Democratic majority have to be? How popular would the president have to be? How liberal would they all need to be in order for single-payer to pass? The answer: far beyond current thresholds, obviously. So we get an incremental solution that will help millions of people to afford healthcare, and we get a means to a single-payer end. Regardless of the obvious flaws in the bill, this is not a terrible deal.

America has mostly operated like this. Incrementally. Historical perspective shows that despite FDR’s popularity and the collective desperation of the Great Depression, he was only able to pass a rudimentary framework for Social Security — a law that didn’t cover large groups of American workers, from railroad employees to the self-employed to farmers to government staff to clergy. There were no survivor or disability benefits, either. Hardly robust. Lydon Johnson’s Medicaid, for all of Johnson’s strong-arming tactics and landslide 1964 mandate, contained a dreaded state opt-out feature (to date, no state has opted out of Medicaid). Very popular presidents like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and JFK weren’t able to achieve any healthcare reform whatsoever, and not from a lack of trying.

So how do we peg reform at this point? There are still major hurdles ahead. And as I wrote above, it’s not perfect and there are gaps to be filled, as there were with Social Security, Medicaid, SCHIP and other similar kinds of reform. But this is a major step towards an eventual single-payer system.

Without this reform, single-payer would be less likely. Put another way, this isn’t a loss for single-payer, it’s a victory in a battle on the road to winning the war.

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  • veralynn

    exactly Bob, thank you

  • http://thedailyderelict.blogspot.com PaulC

    /Stands and applaudsThat’s an awesome post, Bob.

  • Allonfla

    Yeah, but if Obama had just tried really, really, really hard……………..In any case, how long after a bill is passed can an amendment be added? Does Congress have to wait for the problems to happen?

  • likala

    What the bill does:http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/8_things_you_need_to_know_about_the_new_house_health_reform_billChart on how the house voted:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/votes/house/healthcare/index.html?hpid=topnewsInteresting to see how much each got from health providers and how many uninsured in their districts compared to how they voted. Dingell and Hoyer for instance received two of the highest amounts from the cartel but were able to vote YES.

  • http://www.opednews.com Kevin

    What makes you think this legislation isn’t designed to siphon away support for a not-for-profit national health care system in America? What makes you think this is a step toward getting a single-payer system?What makes you think this health insurance enrichment bill will be more than a one and done deal for Congress and Obama?

  • prcleburne

    Bob-As always, you help me keep my sanity. Thanks for the awesome post.Cheers,PRC ( AKA, Rick Greene, Knoxville, Tn.)

  • likala

    Kevin,Bob has stated over and over the answers to your questions.

  • http://www.bobcesca.com Bob_Cesca

    Kevin:>>>>What makes you think this is a step toward getting a single-payer system?Ugh. Do you think NOTHING is a better path to single-payer? How long do you think it’ll take to achieve single-payer without a current reform bill? And how many people will die for lack of insurance in the meantime?

  • J M Ashby

    To answer your question Bob -What would it have taken to pass single-payer? 50% or more of the nation uninsured and sick is what it would have taken.As a nation we have a tendency to not fix problems until they explode in our face and we are forced too. We wait until the last second. Unfortunately for many people in society, problems are not real until it happens to them personally. This is especially true for people who are uninformed (read: most of the nation)And for anyone who thinks the teabaggery could not get any worse from here on, just wait until immigration reform rears its ugly head.

  • DC

    Well said, Bob. I think what Lee doesn’t get is that the public option was the best we were ever going to get out of this Congress. And it is far better than what we got out of Clinton’s efforts (which was nothing). And it is better than Bush’s prescription plan for seniors, which was written by the pharmaceutical and insurance companies.Single payer was never going to fly. Not today. Maybe it will be another generation before it passes. But you are right, Bob, America works through evolution, not revolution. But that’s why conservatives always lose in the long run. They failed to stop social security and now they know they’ll never be able to kill it (or even, as Gingrich hoped, let it “whither on the vine”). They failed against Medicare and Medicaid – to the point where they’re now casting themselves as the defenders of Medicare in order to scare seniors into opposing health care reform.In the long term, the closest the conservatives will ever get to a victory is to slow down progress.

  • bjritz

    We will need to wait and see how this goes in the Senate. Healthcare reform will pass and I think this year.After that we need to move the grassroots work toward filling cracks in this years legislation. We will need to work to lower the Medicare entry age and improving the public option.If anything at all this weekend has proven the Democratic Party needs to work on what it is they want and clarify it into the 2010 elections.America is going to be glad of these changes and the Party of No is going to fade some more. Lets work together and not create unnecessary fiefdoms of single payer vs. incremental change. The party leadership has got to see this need for clarity, and I hope they’ll step up and bring it.

  • http://willpen.wordpress.com/ Willpen

    Your point could not be any truer Bob. We really need to be the adults in the room, while the opposition runs around rattling their sabers and crying “death panels” or whatever other vile “isms” they can manage to make up. We have only won a small battle in this very big War. Things are gonna start getting really nasty now. We need to stop nipping at each others heels.

  • Chris Koeber

    Bob,Three things.

    1). This should be the real quote of the day (from DC):

    In the long term, the closest the conservatives will ever get to a victory is to slow down progress.

    2). Kinda unrelated, but doesn’t this completely erase the “We won NJ and VA so we’re back!” mime from the GOP? I think it’s great.

    3). The bill is bitter-sweet with the Stupak amendment. It’s like taking two steps forward in one area and a step back in another.

  • camel54

    I think those pushing for single-payer should continue doing so in order for the increments progress toward that end. I think this first step is wonderful, and I’m hoping beyond hope we get through the senate without too much raping. Still, if this bill can stop rescission and can prevent pre-existing condition exclusions, and can provide millions of people an option they don’t have today, there is no way that isn’t worthy of unabated celebration. Those things alone are worth all of this trouble. Does a lot more need to be done, come on, we all know much more is needed. While we push for those things that are still out of our grasp, let’s take a moment to appreciate these few things that are finally attainable and likely attained. All of these fights within the progressive ranks don’t mean anything to the person losing everything they’ve worked for to pay for medication. Destroying what is good this year in the hope for something that is perfect next year is just offensive to someone who is dying right now.

  • ceu

    IMO, the next step may be to get implementation of whatever plan passes pushed up from 2013.

  • chauncey

    As much as I would like to cheer with you Bob, about this “incremental” step towards single-payer, I’m too stunned by the Stupak amendment to get all giddy right now.Not only were my daughters thrown under the bus on this one but roughly half the population of this country was as well. And nary a mention from you nor the others posting here. And in case you’ve not been paying attention to the very few female bloggers out there, this is a HUGE deal to those of us who saw yet another successful attempt at chipping away at our right to choose what happens to our own bodies. I guess for some it was a small sacrifice.I take it diagnosis and treament for erectile dysfunction will still be covered. This bill sucks ass!!

  • http://broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl™

    I made a similar argument, although not as astute as Bob, over on the CommonDreams.org thread in which Dennis Kucinich posted on why he voted no on the bill, and boy did the progressives come out and rip into me like I had no idea what I was talking about, being called a Democratic apologist in the process. I prefer realist.

    It really does seem that for them, nothing would have been better than this bill which still has to go through the Senate and then voted on again.

    Here’s what started the feeding frenzy:

    While I admire and appreciate Rep. Kucinich’s convictions and standing by his principles, I found it disappointing that he chose to vote against something in which the margin of victory was so narrow.

    I think he knows, as well as other readers here, that had this bill failed, health care reform would have died with it. There would have been no “do overs” and the status quo would have won. While I don’t think this is a strong bill, there are still many debates to come and many changes to be made. This is only the first step in what I believe will lead to the single payer system that Rep. Kucinich advocates.

    Boy, was I apparently wrong!

  • Kevin

    Ugh. Do you think NOTHING is a better path to single-payer?

    Allow me to apologize on behalf of the few Americans who constantly come to your blog to argue for a system that would make it possible for patients to not be treated in the same way that slave plantation owners used to treat their niggers.

    Yes, I think NOTHING would be better.

    NOTHING wouldn’t involve a corporate giveaway to the health insurance companies.

    NOTHING wouldn’t force millions under penalty of law to buy the deceptive and defective products of greedy private insurance companies.

    NOTHING wouldn’t contain a “public option” designed to fail.

    NOTHING would get us closer to single-payer because this bill makes it possible for Democrats to claim they addressed the issue of health care affordability and move along and allow the for-profit sick-care non-system of America to persist.

    How long do you think it’ll take to achieve single-payer without a current reform bill?

    How long do you think it will take for you to realize that you have taken your eye off the ball?

    You can’t claim to be for something then support an action that stalls or derails that something.

    And how many people will die for lack of insurance in the meantime?

    As if that would be the fault of those fighting for an “everybody in and nobody out” health care system in America…

    The reality that thousands will continue to die daily because reform has not passed is the fault of Democrats, Republicans, and members of the Obama Administration who lack the political will to take on the powerful interests in this country—the for-profit insurance companies—which are the problem and not the solution.

    I ask you to tell me where you think this is going, Bob. This bill allows for-profit health insurance companies to continue operating like they have been operating.

    So, what Obama and Democratic leaders are telling Americans when they support this “reform” legislation is the very thing that has been thwarting your right to good care is now going to somehow quit thwarting your right to good care and now give you the good care you deserve.

    All of a sudden we are supposed to believe the politicians when they say this will regulate the industry and the industry will now act in good conscience. Private insurers will give us access to the care we deserve at an affordable price.

    What is the enforcement mechanism for controlling rates or setting a cap on rates? Please tell me how costs are ultimately controlled and kept down because of this reform legislation.

    Why should anyone think this frankenbill is going to do any long-term good for Americans who are currently uninsured or underinsured?

  • http://politicalpartypooper.wordpress.com/ Political Party Pooper

    Single Payer WOULD have passed, with the help of a few smart people playing the parts of elected officials. Instead, we have the Democrats and Republicans.Both parties govern not to provide the soundest possible legislation; rather they provide the legislation that will keep them in power. Both parties compromise the American people for the sake of “The Party”. Both parties are usually defeated before they ever get started whenever they attempt legislation which reflects their core values.”We just can’t do it in this political climate”, “it’s not possible facing all this opposition”, are the usual platitudes we hear both party hacksters repeat over and over until the bulk of their followers succumb, and agree.Thank God our founding fathers had some balls, and some honor. Can you imagine this current group of clowns trying to write our constitution? I can’t.If we had been forced to let Republicans and Democrats face down the King, we’d still be vassals of England.What we are getting right now, as Americans, is the lowest common denominator, and often, the path of least resistance. That’s not good enough.Yet neither party can change that way of doing things. Their very nature makes it impossible for them to do so. Group think is group think, and both parties are already defeated.If you outlaw political parties, you will stand a chance of changing every major problem in Washington. It’s not the corporations standing in the way of change, Bob. It’s your party, and theirs. You are swimming in contaminated water, and rather than emptying the pool, you prefer to swim in filth and try to clean the water using bleach every so often. How has that worked?When a party has a majority as huge as the democrats have, and still can’t pass legislation, nay, won’t even attempt to bring legislation to a vote that would reflect their core values, what does that say about your party?Is this the best we can do? I think if you asked most Americans, they’d say “no”. Ask most Americans the one question no Republican nor Democrat, nor even mainstream media member wants them to answer:”Do you think America would be better off without political parties?”Bob, what do you think would be the overwhelming majority of answers?

  • ceu

    the Stupak amendment…And nary a mention from you nor the others posting herePosted by: chauncey at November 8, 2009 7:18 PMNo? No mention? I refer you to the following threads:The Democratic No Votesstarting at 11:02 AMHouse of Representatives Passes Healthcarestarting at 12:31 amIt’s Looking Goodstarting at 8:07 pmTrust me. It’s been mentioned.

  • chauncey

    I stand corrected, ceu, thanks for the heads-up. I’ve been away for the past three days and just now catching up on things. I jumped the gun – mea culpa.That said…this bill still sucks and I still can’t cheer for what was passed. I would equate it to a similar bill that would provide a massive infusion of federal money for a subsidised mass transportation system across the country, yet blacks of every economic status would be required to pay full price for a ticket.Yeah, we were thrown under the bus.

  • JDS

    This is a brilliant assessment,Bob. Thanks for doing it.Also,it is reassuring to see there are many progressives who are also realistic. That is what it is going to take to get where we need to be. I appreciate Dennis Kucinich,but if his way worked, he would be President. I believe President Obama wants the same outcomes but has a different strategy for success.

  • ceu

    My attitude kinda sucked there, Chauncey. Sorry about that.But, yea, we discussed it to the point where there just isn’t that much more to say & we all agree it’s incredibly sucky.

  • http://willpen.wordpress.com/ Willpen

    Everyone here is making many valid points. This dialogue can go on forever, with everyone proving their point. But the cold hard reality is that;Yes, Government does suck, andYes, we may be settling for less than we should, andYes, it is really easy for us to Sunday morning quarter back this bill.The problem is that we need to start somewhere. I had always been in the position where the costs of health care and medication were not a problem for me in the past. But with the economy tanking and being self employed I have been feeling this crunch for some time now. I have had to make choices to not refill a certain medication one month due to my increased pharmacy co-pays. I have had to increase these in order to keep my premiums lower. I have also had to deal with 15-20% increases in my premiums every year. I can’t even imagine how much I would be paying if I were not buying my health insurance through my business.Everyone needs to get off of their high horses and face the realities that we need something, anything, as soon as possible. To assume that we would just be assuaged by this and walk away merrily into the sunset is both ridiculous and insulting.

  • chauncey

    No harm, no foul ceu.As with most everyone else here, I just hate that some have to “take one for the team” in order for the greater good to be served. In a perfect world it should not be so. It’s just reeeeally hard to give back some of what was literally won by the blood of too many women who died to give me the right to choose.All I can see from this is more cheap “home remedies” and “dumpster babies”….so, will our new health reform cover the after effects of these?Bottom line..it has always been ultimately our choice…we can throw ourselves down the stairs, visit a back-alley clinic, or…ala “Vera Drake” take care of our own as we have for centuries. What we are quibbling over is whether or not we survive the procedure.And Viagra is still prominently advertised. What the fuck is wrong with us?????

  • Stranahan

    Carl – see that’s what it is like on a board with progressives on it.

  • Stranahan

    Bob won’t link to this.it enshrines and subsidizes the “takeover” by the investor-owned insurance industry that occurred after the failure of the Clinton reform effort in 1994. To be sure, the bill has a few good provisions (expansion of Medicaid, for example), but they are marginal. It also provides for some regulation of the industry (no denial of coverage because of pre-existing conditions, for example), but since it doesn’t regulate premiums, the industry can respond to any regulation that threatens its profits by simply raising its rates. The bill also does very little to curb the perverse incentives that lead doctors to over-treat the well-insured. And quite apart from its content, the bill is so complicated and convoluted that it would take a staggering apparatus to administer it and try to enforce its regulations.What does the insurance industry get out of it? Tens of millions of new customers, courtesy of the mandate and taxpayer subsidies. And not just any kind of customer, but the youngest, healthiest customers — those least likely to use their insurance. The bill permits insurers to charge twice as much for older people as for younger ones. So older under-65′s will be more likely to go without insurance, even if they have to pay fines. That’s OK with the industry, since these would be among their sickest customers. (Shouldn’t age be considered a pre-existing condition?)Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-angell-md/is-the-house-health-care_b_350190.html&cp

  • http://healthdisparities.virginia.edu/2009/11/08/pundits-laud-passage-of-health-insurance-reform-bill-by-house/ Terri

    Bob, you have a lot to answer to here.I will look for your reply to the excellent questions and thought-provoking comments raised by Kevin, Lee and PoliticalPartyPooper.

  • http://nanotyrnns.blogspot.com/ Nanotyrannus

    “Bob, you have a lot to answer to here”

    Nobody here has to answer for a fucking thing seeing as how we’ve all answered you two ad fucking nauseum only to be told again how wrong we are. Bob has. Ceu has. Redmond has. Everyone has!You guys are not only not winning the argument, you’re not winning hearts and minds here. Enough already.

  • http://nanotyrnns.blogspot.com/ Nanotyrannus

    I didn’t want to go off on you like that Terri, ’cause I really like you, but fuck. This is just getting exhausting.

  • http://healthdisparities.virginia.edu/2009/11/08/pundits-laud-passage-of-health-insurance-reform-bill-by-house/ Terri

    INSURING PROFITABILITYWhat this bill gives with the right hand it takes back with the left — but it always has one thing in mind: generous payment to the health insurance companies.”The touted reform to eliminate pre-existing health conditions as an excuse to deny health insurance coverage provides insurance for these people; however, it requires those with chronic health problems to pay higher premiums.”That’s what results when health care remains (sickly and grotesquely) in the private (for profit) sector. Should you cost the companies more you by having a chronic health problem you are “punished” by having to pay a greater premium.Our politicians have cleverly found a way to make up for the financial loss the health insurance companies will face for no longer being able to deny care. How did they do it? By increasing premiums on those with a chronic illness.What’s insured? Profits for the insurance companies. They are protected and guarded.http://tinyurl.com/yge4dbp

  • Stranahan

    Part of my personal frustration is the I know Bob is totally sincere. He’s as passionate as advocate for health care reform as anyone out there and when you combine that with his skill as a writer, he’s been very powerful on the subject.So it’s been frustrating as hell to watch him put lipstick on this pug for the last several months. President Obama never once came out for a robust public option. He didn’t back the progressive caucus. The President didn’t back what Bob Cesca was in favor of – but Bob sure packed the President.I don’t believe that this bill was best we could do if the President has shown some fucking LEADERSHIP. But he didn’t – and the reason has been obvious for a while. He doesn’t want real reform – Obama backed a giveaway to the insurance industry and PhARMA.And he used the loyalty and residual goodwill l of people like Bob to do it.

  • Mather Z

    Look, of course it’s not single-payer. And that awful anti-women’s-health amendment is friggin’ terrible. Of course it could be better.But honestly, Lee: NOTHING would be better? Honestly? The status quo would be better than this bill? You would rather this whole debate and resulting bill just never happened, rather than what did happen? Hoenstly?Look – I don’t think anyone here is saying that the current bill is perfect, or even particularly great. But if you’re going to argue that things are worse under this bill than the current status quo, well, that makes you sound like someone who can afford all the health insurance he needs.

  • Stranahan

    The case for it being worse than nothing is that it makes things worse than the statur quo and hurts the possibility of future reform.Here are two great articles by health reform experts that make the case very well…it’s really a pretty sensible position.Read them and see what you think.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-angell-md/is-the-house-health-care_b_350190.htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/time-to-kill-the-pseudo-p_b_342370.html

  • FrictionSoul

    I’m with Lee on this one. (Lee, stay the fuck away from fast food, you and your kids).

    Is the House bill better than nothing? I don’t think so. It simply throws more money into a dysfunctional and unsustainable system, with only a few improvements at the edges, and it augments the central role of the investor-owned insurance industry.

    I’m on year 9 without health insurance. When I had it, I used the “sides” to get professional massages and acupuncture to help me recover faster after I got in the best shape in my life (at age 40) knowing that I’d be setting a solid foundation for the rest of my life. So far it’s worked great.There’s nothing worse than handing your health over to a toxic, unhealthy corporation. I’ve never been able to figure out why people expect the insurance part of this “reform” will equate to health itself. Insurance doesn’t help people, but health care does, and the best way to be healthy is to follow the basic prevention guidelines. They’re out there. Rarely will you find a traditionally trained doctor who will tell you what they are because they’re hectored to death by pathology and vultures (insurance).

  • eve

    Chauncey,I am very happy the bill passed and very upset about the women-don’t-count amendment. Even if it gets passed in a final bill, I will still be glad we got some needed health reforms. And I will work as hard as I can to get women equal rights in health care and get rid of that amendment.FrictionSoul, I am under the impression that you think basic prevention will keep people from needing conventional health care. If so, that’s a very naive belief. No matter how well we take care of ourselves we will age and with age comes problems. I, too, believe there is much help from alternative “medicine”. Things like acupuncture. But they won’t stop us from aging and developing related disease. I think of my mom as an example. She was very athletic and active. Cared about what was healthy food. Did whatever she could to be healthy. Learned to scuba dive at age 70. Never overweight and never any serious illness of any kind. Until she developed diabetes at about age 80. I do think her lifestyle has been a great help to her, but people still get sick no matter what their lifestyle. And many people need costly care when they get sick. Whether they are 20 or 80. I also think one of the reasons my parents had good health for a long time was they always had good health insurance and thus could afford more preventative health care.

  • http://broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Lee: Carl – see that’s what it is like on a board with progressives on it.

    I never said I thought they were right, Lee. Theirs are just opinions, as is mine and yours. You know what it felt like, Lee? It felt like trying to have a reasoned argument on Red State.

  • http://healthdisparities.virginia.edu/2009/11/08/pundits-laud-passage-of-health-insurance-reform-bill-by-house/ Terri

    It seems to me that they simply reshuffled the deck, repacked the package and slapped a new name on it and called it ‘reform’!This seems much more about a political ‘win’ than a win for people.It is much more politically driven then driven by the actual health care or financial needs of real people.

  • Hielo

    I just figured it out. This “all or nothing” mind set is a result of a brains that are frozen in high school mode. “You can’t make me do that!”. “I don’t care. I want it my way right now!”. Etc. There is no way to argue with this element. They cannot conceive of the practical or the overall big picture for the future.I admit to some serious uneasiness with mandates but the economics of the public option require 1) that the package be be paid for and 2) that participants cannot wait until they need the services to join up. It works for Medicare but Medicare payments are deducted from Social Security payments. My understanding of the House bill is that payments from low income people are subsidized. Seems totally reasonable.Just a thought about abortion: I really do not like the term “Pro Life”. Pisses me off. I always refer to the two approaches as “Pro Choice” and “No Choice”. Works better when arguing with religious psychos.

  • http://nanotyrnns.blogspot.com/ Nanotyrannus

    “No Choice” is a perfect description of what they favor, Hielo. Awesome.