Leave BP Alone!

Posted on 06/18/2010 at 12:53 pm by Bob Cesca

First, they said the president ought to get down there and hold BP accountable.

Now they’re suggesting the president is “demonizing” BP.

Fox News and the wingnut talkers are siding with BP. Good choice.

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  • NickMpls

    There’s already an ad running here in MN pointing out Michele Bachmann’s (R-BP) stupid comments about the whole thing.It’s time to turn all of this crap against the wingnuts. When we form our sentences, just include a noun, a verb, a Republican, and BP.A foreign corporation is (apparently) more important than citizens of The United States and their assets. DRIVE IT HOME ALL THE WAY UNTIL NOVEMBER.

  • Michale32086

    Here is how I suggest that Obama “leave BP alone”..“Frak you. You aren’t going to do right by Americans and everyone knows it. Your American operations are now OUR American operations. You’re fired. Have a nice day and get the frak outta my sight.”-President ObamaThat would be kewl..Oh well, I can dream of a President with a pair..Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • roxsteady

    I just popped in on MSNBC’s awful dayside and some guy from the Gulf was on there basically refusing to trash BP or Barton. This is the second time I’ve seen a Gulf resident tie himself up into knots trying to walk on egg shells not blaming BP or the GOP. These idiots will win reelection easily because it seems that most of the people down there are just too stupid to realized that drilling is dangerous. They’ll wait for another explosion and then trash the government for it’s lack of ability to respond. You truely do get the government you deserve. Enjoy, inbreds!

  • roxsteady

    By the way, I’m just glad we have a President who got 20 billion and 100 million and it didn’t take 9 years like the 911 first responders. How’s that for balls?

  • Michale32086

    By the way, I’m just glad we have a President who got 20 billionSorry to rain on your parade, but it was only $5 Billion that was “got” and that ain’t even delivered yet..The $20 Billion you are referring to is over 4 years. Which is probably 3 years longer than BP needs to litigate it’s way out of the obligations.Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • EGB

    Hey Bob, can you put the “posted from” line at the top of the comments so I no longer have to scroll down and see if something posted is from Mchale’s Navy before I begin reading it? Thanks!

  • Alan Fors

    Watertown Daily Times:

    As a pledge toward its escrow obligation over the next few years, BP agreed to set aside $20 billion in U.S. assets as collateral while it builds the fund through 2013. To do that, the firm will sell off $10 billion in assets while stockholders will lose out on $7.5 billion in dividends, which will have repercussions in Great Britain as well as on pension funds in the United States.

  • nicole473

    @ roxsteadySo true.From Crooks & Liars:

    “Papantonio: We wouldn’t see $20 billion in a case like this, all you’ve got to do is look at Exxon, it would be decades before the legal system would be able to render anything close….It’s unprecedented to have a leader that says we don’t trust you and we want your money now. To do this in the legal system is almost impossible. You can’t go back and find an example of this kind of leadership yielding this kind of money in any legal setting in America.”

    Reuters:

    NEW BP ESCROW ACCOUNT: — BP has agreed to contribute $20 billion over a four-year period at a rate of $5 billion per year, including $5 billion this year. BP will provide assurance for these commitments by setting aside $20 billion in U.S. assets.

    He really accomplished something with this.Links & quotes from Alan Fors! :)

  • Michale32086

    Alan,And how much of that $20 Billion is going to the Gulf Coast this year???That’s right.. Only $5 Billion..Still buying into the spin….$5 Billion in the hand is what the issue is… Not the $20 Billion in the Bush…You can spin all you want.. But when all is said and done, only $5 Billion is going to be available for a year…And how long do you think that $5 Billion will last???Well, according to HuffPo, 1.6 BILLION of that $5 Billion is already spent…http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/14/16-billion-is-cost-of-oil_n_610867.htmlSo, let’s see.. We have gone thru almost 2/5ths of the money oooo sooo graciously allotted to us by BP in a little under a month…Using that as a guide, the $5 Billion will run out by Sep at the latest…..Then what?? Where is your $20 Billion then???Non existent..Like I said, buy into the spin if you wish.. Support BP to the hilt if you wish..Those of us who actually think for ourselves know better…Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • nicole473

    Alan,Don’t buy in to it.

  • Michale32086

    Alan,Let’s put it this way.Will there be $20 Billion available to the Gulf Coast this year..YES or NO?I know you won’t answer, but that is an answer in and of itself.Like I said. Go ahead. Buy the spin…This time next year, I’ll be accepting your apology.. Just like I accepted SmartAlek’s apology..Oh wait… :D Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Alan Fors

    I’m simply disputing (with proof, unlike you) your claims that there “is no $20B”. There is. I have never claimed that $5B/yr is sufficient.Remember though, this fund is to pay damages to affected people and businesses. The cleanup costs do not come out of these funds. Also, there is a separate $100M fund for oil workers who are now unemployed due to this.As we discussed yesterday, I do not trust BP. And because of this, the Presidents success and leadership in getting this done is reassuring. This is unprecedented.

  • Michale32086

    OK…So, we agree that, while there IS 20 Billion dollars in the future, it is NOT 20 Billion in the here and now.In the here and now, there is only $5 Billion and all we have is BP’s pledge that there will be another $15 Billion.That is a statement that I can agree to..You???This is unprecedented. It’s only unprecedented if BP actually follows thru…Can we agree on THAT as well??Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Alan Fors

    It’s more than a pledge. Do you understand the concept of collateral? It appears you do not. Or, more likely, you are simply being deliberately obtuse.But just in case:The $20B is all there, and ours for the taking, if BP does not follow through with thier agreement to pay it into the excrow fund in increments.So no, I do not agree with either of your statements.

  • nicole473

    Okay, I’m gagging.Someone call me when this moronic fucking contard troll is gone/no longer destroying every thread with his moronic and/or hateful fucking posts.

  • Michale32086

    Is the $20 Billion available right now?YES or NO..Why can’t you just admit that the answer is NO??$20 Billion is NOT available to the Gulf Coast in the here and now..This is FACT…Now, prove me wrong..Prove that there is $20 Billion going to be available to the Gulf Coast in 2010..You can’t…So who is being intentionally obtuse??I thought you might actually be someone with more than 2 brains cells to rub together who can actually be swayed with logic and facts.But you are still drinking the Obama/BP koolaid and are beyond reason.Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • jdsne

    The $20 Billion you are referring to is over 4 years. Which is probably 3 years longer than BP needs to litigate it’s way out of the obligations.

    o_0 It took Exxon almost two decades to do this. What makes you think that it will all be over in a year?

  • Alan Fors

    The $20B is set aside in collateral. This is to ensure that the escrow fund is funded as directed by the administration. The $20B does exist despit your denials over the last couple of days.I never claimed the $20B would be available to the Gulf in 2010. Never. If you assumed that’s what I was saying then it is your mistake.

  • Michale32086

    jdsne,o_0 It took Exxon almost two decades to do this. What makes you think that it will all be over in a year? Damn good point..With the Exxon Valdez, the catastrophe happened quickly and was over, relatively speaking, fast..Here we have a case where the catastrophe is happening over a long period of time. And, if the sub-seafloor bed ruptures and a breach is opened directly into the oil field (the largest one in this hemisphere, by the bi) then the current disaster is going to look like CW’s car repair problem by comparison..In other words, the worst is yet to come. And BP is reading the writing on the wall and it will be in their best interests to get out from under the legal liability BEFORE the worst comes to pass.In short, BP will want to get out while the gettin’ is good…Alan is partially right. There is an unprecedented issue here. But that is NOT Obama’s so-called example of leadership.What is unprecedented is the scale of the disaster that the US faces..If the worst case scenario comes to pass (I have posted it several times and don’t feel like doing it all again.. I am sure you can find it) then any pledges that BP has made will be completely and utterly worthless….And, you can bet that, with the potential scale of the disaster we are facing, BP is not going to be mealy-mouth about getting out from under the legal liability.And, guess what..There is NOTHING to hold BP to ANY of their promises…Not one damn thing…Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Michale32086

    Alan,I never claimed the $20B would be available to the Gulf in 2010. Never. If you assumed that’s what I was saying then it is your mistake.Yes.. MY mistake.. You never implied that the $20 Billion was available right now.. :^/Fine…So, we are agreed..The $20 Billion is *NOT* available to Gulf Coast citizens and *WON’T be available to Gulf Coast citizens in 2010…That is all I have been saying…FINALLY… Some common ground….Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Maxwell

    The fact remains that the $20B will be placed in escrow, and is thus available to the citizens of the Gulf at any time should BP default.This is not disputable, and using circular reasoning to go around it does not give contrary views validity.Fact.

  • Alan Fors

    So, we are agreed..There is $20B that *IS* guarenteed to be available over the course of 4 years, and it’s *NOT* a matter of anyone trusting BP…That is what I’ve been saying and you have been consistently denying.

  • Michale32086

    Yes.. MY mistake.. You never implied that the $20 Billion was available right now.. :^/Just remember this the next time you claim I never admit that I am wrong… :D Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Michale32086

    Alan,You just can’t concede a point, can you?? :D That’s kewl…There is $20B that *IS* guarenteed to be available over the course of 4 years, and it’s *NOT* a matter of anyone trusting BP…Fine…Your emphasis is “is guaranteed”…My emphasis is “over the course of 4 years”…My emphasis is self-evident..I am not sure how anything out of BP can be “guaranteed”, but I will bow to your obviously superior financial wisdom.. :D That’s not sarcasm, I mean that seriously.But, as I said before. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong…I honestly hope you are right..However, history shows that, if a corporation CAN evade liability, they will. PR be damned…Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Lexaburn

    Tsk, tsk, tsk….Still arguing in circles with the troll, hm?When’re you guys going to understand that this troll has no reason for being here at this point and is merely satisfying its urge to criticize President Obama?Oh, he also likes playing the “greater or less than” game.Here’s how it goes:1) Enable in a never-ending back and forth by aiming invective toward the President Obama, closely staying on-topic in order to attract well-meaning, yet gullible Cescans.2) Relay the superiority of its opinion passively, while dismissing and/or disrespecting views that to any degree are contrary to its own.3) When others begin to notice that it is reinforcing that which has been argued and set aside in order to move the discussion along, it resorts to passively goading those taking it seriously, usually by declaring its argument irrefutable.4) If one sees through its troll act and expresses as much, it attempts to goad further. If it goading fails and it finds itself overwhelmed, it resorts to attempts at making all witnesses guilty by association with regards to supporting the president or so-called “progressive” causes and concerns.See, the troll attempted this circular argument & victimhood method with me in one of Bob’s recent Sarah Palin threads, but I managed to turning the tables on it (allusions to Palin’s actual record as governor in Alaska, for starters), which lead to his feeling threatened by my very presence. It even issued a threat to me as it accused me of issuing one (I did not).Do any of you understand that there is no winning here with this individual, there’s is only a perpetual cycle of his being disagreeable just for the sake of it?He’s Grouchy Smurf, people.You want to argue about the oil spill and the aftermath with Grouchy Smurf?

  • Michale32086

    Alan,Do you know why I don’t trust BP…“BP has promised to pay all legitimate claims.”Now, just look at that one sentence and tell me what pops into your head first…OK… got that??Now, here’s another one.. Fictional, but along the same lines..“Blackwater has promised to pay all legitimate claims.”Now, what’s the first thing that pops into your head…Was the first thing that popped into your head with the first statement the same thing that popped into your head with the second statement??If not, how come??Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Lexaburn

    The troll “hates” BP and Blackwater saying they’ll pay all claims.The troll hates the first thing that popped into its head.

  • Alan Fors

    There is no trust involved. Click here to educate yourself.

  • Lexaburn

    The troll hates educating itself.

  • Michale32086

    There is no trust involvedReally??Where’s the $20 Billion right now???Who has access to that $20 Billion right now??Anyone??? Anyone??? Beuhler???Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Lexaburn

    The troll hates not seeing $20 Billion right here, right now.

  • Maxwell

    The troll is a tiny dick fuck-up with barely one brain cell.Maxwellall insults will be returned

  • http://broadwaycarl.blogspot.com Broadway Carl

    Alan, don’t waste your time. The troll will refuse to listen to reasoning and logic and will talk in circles just for its amusement. It knows it’s wrong but refuses to admit it. Or more likely, it doesn’t know it’s wrong and continues to look like a fool.Either way, ignore it. A parasite can only feed on a host that will let it.

  • Michale32086

    Carl,You are just pithy because I called you on your shoddy research and unfounded conclusions…Either way, ignore it. A parasite can only feed on a host that will let it.That’s eliminationist talk… Something that the Left always accuses the Right of doing…You are a fine Republican. Karl Rove would be proud of you…Obviously your “ignore” advice isn’t that good anyways. Else, you would be able to take your own advice. :D QUIT TRYING TO ((IGNORE)) ME AND ((IGNORE)) ME!-Morpheus, THE MATRIXMichale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • http://kcdad.livejournal.com Charles Brown

    “The troll “hates” BP and BlackwaterAnd what is the “untroll” stand?Do “untrolls” LOVE BP and Blackwater? (i.e. the mercenaries formerly known as Blackwater)I hate all corporations… I hate the very idea of Incorporation… does that make me a troll, too?I certainly hate the idea of Mercenaries.I certainly hate the idea of War for Profit or raping the environment for profit.

  • Lexaburn

    Ah, I see someone needs an education in Smurfology.First off, there is no such thing as an “untroll.”On the subject of the troll I referred to as “Grouchy Smurf,” know that Grouchy is prone to being belligerent and contrary for the sake of being so amidst the overall tranquil nature of Smurf Village. Grouchy is a one-note character, but can occasionally be hilarious in the proper setting.Don’t EVER attempt to counter a comment of mine if you’re not used to putting things into context. There was an entire preamble before I committed to the running gag, so stow the self-adulation at my tomfoolery’s expense, if you will.

  • Lexaburn

    I also do not appreciate the content of my comment being edited in order for someone to rouse themselves.If you’re going to quote Lexaburn, quote Lexaburn.This is not FOX “News,” and if it were, the studio would be set ablaze with the rhetorical flames I’d cast.

  • Lexaburn

    Carl, you do know that the troll’s bullshit about “ignoring” people is just that, right?See, it felt the need to test its mettle against me in the recent Glenn Speck thread. It believed that being sarcastic would spare it the rod of ridicule, since it knows I’ll never feel guilty for beating up on it. When I left a comment that knocked it cross-eyed, it felt the need to comment on my intelligence, as well as his perception of my penis size.The dumdum doesn’t even see its “You’re being a Republican like Karl Rove” can be counted as an insult here. Maybe it does and is counting on your not noticing the hypocrisy.Con-servaknaves: always oblivious to their own hypocritical conduct.

  • Michale32086

    Charles Brown,does that make me a troll, too? The ONLY thing that makes you a Troll around here, CB is disagreeing with the crowd..Of course, that is NOTHING like the true definition of what a Net Troll really is..But the real Trolls here like to make up definitions and facts.Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • nicole473

    Ha ha….so typical of trolls, who like to sneak back to abandoned threads and post more blather, seeking of course, the last word just like any man with a tiny little appendage would.You pathetic moron, Michale.

  • Lexaburn

    Oh, yes, Nicole, I’ve noted before how trolls of any stripe have no impulse control.Notice how it ignores my observation, even though it directly referred to it hypocritical conduct, not to mention it came right before he came to get the last word.See, he’s seeking support for his quest to be a pest, and, yes, not only is it pathetic, but typical.The troll believes CB will leap to its defense because I lambasted Charles for singling out one of my comments haphazardly.*sigh*What’re you gonna do with trolls besides bat ‘em around rhetorically?

  • Lexaburn

    Hahaaaaaa!!!Sorry for being a grammar Nazi, but I must lament the inconsistencies in my assessment.As long as we’re all aware that the troll is, in fact, an “it.”Capice?

  • Michale32086

    Nicole,seeking of course, the last word just like any man with a tiny little appendage would. I wonder if you can appreciate the utter irony of your accusation? :D Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Michale32086

    Hawkeye: “Just to show you what a great guy I am, I’ll let you have the last word.”BJ: “Thank you”Hawkeye: “You’re welcome.” :D Michale32086personal attacks will be ignored

  • Lexaburn

    Of course the troll once again attempts to turn the tables on you Nicole.Here’s what you do in that situation: ask yourself, “Why would I ever visit Bob Cesca’s Awesome Blog! Go!”? When it dawns on you that you actually like visiting this blog with no aim to disrupt or disparage the liberal, progressive, or Democratic Party in any way that is out of context, you can be confident that it is not you seeking to have the last word in this exchange, but simply contributing to a comment thread.Notice that the troll always tries to make you feel embarrassed over something it does freely.This is why you take note of a troll’s hypocrisy (among other things) and move on to simply berating the bum.