Smart Accountability

Jon Cohn posted a fantastic item this week about “liberal apathy” and this section jumped off the screen:

To be clear, sometimes ass-kicking is good. Call Kent Conrad a hypocrite on the deficit. Blast Joe Lieberman for carrying water on behalf of the insurance industry. Hold Obama accountable for the bureaucratic neglect that enabled the Gulf disaster. Liberals won’t get anywhere by meekly accepting every compromise that comes down the pike or looking the other way when Democrats screw up. Politics goes is a two-way street and liberals need their leaders to lead sometimes.

But if the left is going to demand action, it has to do more than sigh when action–even modest action–actually happens. The left has to show some enthusiasm, if not locally then at least nationally. [...] Otherwise office-holders, even ones from relatively liberal districts, won’t have much incentive to vote liberal next time around.

There’s also a myth floating around that the netroots — liberal blogs, etc — were enthusiastic about supporting the president during the campaign. At best, the netroots were just as divided as they are now and, by proxy, so are liberals. So the divisions aren’t surprising. What’s truly surprising, however, is how some liberals are disconnected from certain political realities — a disconnect that’s actually undermining liberal prospects.

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  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    The Republicans can’t win in 2012 with just the conservative base, and neither can Obama. His advisers know this.Unforunately for the Republicans, they must all pass a litmus test of insanity before they are accepted as “one of us.” This means whoever the Republican candidate is, they will already be at a huge disadvantage on the national level. Some portions of the netroots may expect the President to do the same, but he has no need to. He will continue to govern the entire nation and not just the far left.To make a long story short: We need the President more than he needs us.Peeing your pants everytime something doesnt go the way you want it to hurts your side of the argument more. Thats not to say there shouldn’t be accountability, but huffing-and-puffing until you get tuned out entirely does yourself a disservice.

  • cjo30080

    Dems succeeded in ’08, in large part, because they brought non-traditional voters to the polls (consistent with Howard Dean’s strategy for the General in ’04).Unfortunately, Obama, ConservaDems, and Reid have seemed more interested in keeping the traditional “independent” voter even getting a few traditional Republican voters than continuing what worked for them in ’08—getting non-traditional voters to the polls.I’m a liberal. I’ll be there every time. But if the 60 to 80 percent who don’t ordinarily vote, aren’t seeing a difference, either because of policy or because of a crappy (or non-existent) media strategy, we’re going to be stuck with the same old, same old—catering to the center (the center of registered voters, that is).

  • Desert Crone

    Damn you, Ashby! I wanted to say that first!”To make a long story short: We need the President more than he needs us.” J M ASHBYYou & Bob have nailed the issue. I don’t know how many times I’ve commented that reform has always been incremental; health care reform was more than the public option, etc. But hell no! if some on the Left didn’t get the one thing they wanted, then reform was a waste.Hey! Reform isn’t just about what YOU want, you nattering nabobs of negativity on the Left. For example, my daughter has NF & now she can get insurance; BCBS didn’t pay my $60000 cancer surgery bill after preapproval & now they can’t do that. I fell into the donut hole & now that’s closed. We got the consumer protection agency out of financial reform. Deportations are up & crime is down on the border but Mother Jones calls Obama “Bush on steroids when it comes to his enforcement of immigration LAWS”.Bob’s new BFF Ed Schultz (-: bitches and moans and weeps and wales in hyperbole cubed. And then he has on Tancredo calling for the impeachment of Obama! Nothing Obama does is good enough for good ol’ Ed. O’Donnell snarks his way thru comments about Obama. Markos & Jane have an arrogance that is unlimited. Obama isn’t your “boy”. You’re not his “massers”.I have no problem criticizing a president from my own party but what is coming from the some on the left is is nothing more than childish temper tantrums. Usually I try to be a bit more eloquent than this but my advice to those I’ve mentioned—SHUT THE FUCK UP! It’s not just about you.Okay, so I’m a little worked up.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ nicole473

    Desert Crone………Well FUCKING said!

  • veralynn

    nicely done desert crone, nicely done indeedBrian Williams once said that being an adult was just like 8th grade. I agree with his assessment. However, some on the left and the ENTIRE right are acting like 2nd graders

  • missliberties

    Very astute post.I am a little worked up myself. I find that the disenchanted are engaging in wild-eyed conspiracy theories that the WH intentionally didn’t have a big enough stimulus package because …….. he wanted to sabotage his own Presidency. So irrationalIt doesn’t help when almost all of the liberal blogs downplay the accomplishments hourly.The new policy for Native America Women and the ceremony that was not shown anywhere was truly amazing. The people that were left behind first are native american women are finally after centuries getting some policy from Washington.The left is on a suicide mission here. I can’t imagine why anyone would be interested in taking them seriously.

  • Desert Crone

    And now some lefties want Obama to be “primaried” (I didn’t even know that was a verb!) WTF!Here’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Jane Hamsher throws down the gauntlet to Blanche Lincoln on Rachel’s show. Then sends big labor to Arkansas against advice of Obama’s political team but Blanche Lincoln wins. Then Keith O says we progressives are pissed cuz Obama dissed us & big labor. Well, duh fucking duh. Arkansas is not a big labor state plus those folks don’t like outsiders coming into their state telling them how to vote. Jane should read more of Gene Lyons(Arkansas Democrat-Gazette), who knows just a smidge more about AR than Jane. You can’t publicly challenge a sitting Senator on nat’l TV & think you’re not going to to royally piss off the residents of that state. And then the left blames Obama for Lincoln’s win. I need a Valium.But. . . I still love Rachel & Keith.

  • caribbeanobserver

    @Ashby – why some need to cut off their nose to spite their face is baffling indeed.@Desertcrone – Absolutely spot on,first and second post both. I double agree with you on Ed, Lawrence O, Keith( who does not vote,but still love him and Rachel).The liberals need to take a chill pill, step back, and stop griping about what they didn’t get and starting getting productive of the more that they want!

  • http://www.joelksmock.blogspot.com Joel K Smock

    Mr. Cesca,If it is true, as you suggest, that there exists some disconnect with liberals, then what does this mean? If one characterizes a liberal by what they see on television, then perhaps the televised political figure was not really liberal at all. Instead, one may very well be reacting to the televised image put forth by such national political figures. After all, many political figures do have hired speech writers. And when such writers are employed by our politicians, whose message then are we really hearing? The politician’s? The speech writer’s? In the end, your astute observation about this disconnect is fascinating.For example, where does this disconnect begin? At the line that separates the leisure-class from the working-class, the latter of which lives paycheck to paycheck? Last time I checked, there was no liberal or conservative politician able to identify with any working class individual living paycheck to paycheck. The fantastic thought that a national or local politician can identify with someone who lives paycheck to paycheck seems nothing more than a clever illusion.Regards,Joel K. Smock

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    Not all politicians were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, just most of them.Living paycheck to paycheck is not a new theme, but its now more common than it has ever been. I think the next 3 or 4 election cycles will show the changing attitudes of voters in respect to that.By the way, Obama writes many of his own speeches but obviously not all of them. And im fairly certain that no one presents a speech before reading it themself. Actually, Bush might not have read his before presentation.

  • Allen Frederick

    It’s almost comical how all-of-a-sudden there’s op-eds everywhere about how the left is dissatisfied with Obama and needs to temper it’s expectations. We’re being told that we had superimposed our beliefs on him, and that he was always a moderate. Never mind that what the left has always done is hold him to his campaign promises – and NOT superimposed ANYTHING on him. We were told later that holding him to his campaign promises was “unrealistic” and “too demanding”.It’s even more comical how all-of-a-sudden Obama is actually speaking to the left now, addressing us about our dissatisfaction.It’s mid-terms and now the left is relevant again. Dems want the left’s support. Dems want the left’s money. Dems want the left’s votes.Forget it. I’m voting Green. Maybe forever. I’ve had enough of the utter disdain Democrats have for the left. They can piss on someone else for a change, but not me.

  • Desert Crone

    @AllenThere is a saying in Alcoholics Anonymous: Progress, not perfection. Those drunks are pretty damn wise sometime. What we have seen is progress that is far from perfection. But it’s still progress, which means movement toward a goal. We don’t have perfect reforms and probably never will, but I’d still rather be moving forward than backward where the right will take us.Yes, I think we should hold Obama to his campaign promises, but that should be tempered with a big dose of reality. Applaud the changes we have accomplished but continue to work for more. Change won’t come overnight, or in a year or two, but if Obama can lay a solid foundation based on liberal philosophy, then change will continue even after he leaves office. Social Security & Medicare don’t look much like they did when they first were implemented. Neither will health care reform if Dems stay in office.Every candidate makes promises he/she can’t keep, but so do we ordinary folks. I’ll bet you’ve even made promises you haven’t kept. But I’m not going to give up on a president’s promises after after two years.Do I like we’re in Afghanistan? No. Do I like that Obama hasn’t restored all civil liberties?No. Don’t even get me started on Ken Salazar and MMS & deep ocean drilling. I can name many things that have or haven’t happened that I don’t like. I’m hardly a starry-eyed optimist, not living as many decades that I have.I choose to be a Democrat because that party comes closer to representing my beliefs than the right. And I sure as hell am not going to piss in the wind by throwing my vote away.I’ve been a liberal for a long time, but I am pragmatic. So you go ahead and vote green and then when the Repubs win control, you can be so proud because you didn’t vote Dem. The trumpets will sound and the people will cheer, “Hooray! Allen Frederick voted green and showed those Democrats.” And nothing will change in the Democratic Party. You know why? Because the majority of Dems are moderates who are usually liberal on some issues. Furthermore, you won’t have the Democratic Party to influence anymore. But as for me I’m going to vote for a Blue Dog Dem I can’t stand because the Repub is so much worse. I would rather vote for Dem who is a Blue Dog than vote for nothing.Get a grip, Allen. Reality bites but better we have a chance at creating our own reality than live in one created for us by the right.

  • missliberties

    @ Allen F.You poor thing. So abused.Bye

  • Alan Pingeree

    “Politics goes is a two-way street and liberals need their leaders to lead sometimes.”See, this is the sentence that got my attention, not the usual griping about how President Obama just doesn’t get enough credit and how those ungrateful liberals done him wrong. We elected Obama, we sweated and bled for him, and he needs us more than he thinks. He’s not the messiah and he’s not the best we can ever hope for. I don’t think his light will go out if we fail to believe in him hard enough. I have every right to voice my uncensored opinion when the President and his administration drop the ball, and so does every other progressive. That’s the essence of democracy and free speech and one of the only methods of uninhibited expression left in our centrist-fetishizing, realpolitik-obsessed political culture. It’s tiring to see these constant finger-wagging posts chastising the amorphous “left” for their lack of loyalty. Our willingness to critically examine our own leaders and hold them accountable is what makes us different from the lock-step true believers across the isle.