Emboldening the Terrorists

For eight years whenever we suggested ending the war in Iraq or enumerated how incompetent the Bush administration was, we were accused of emboldening the enemy. It goes without saying there was never any evidence of this dynamic whatsoever.

So I hate to recycle the same attacks but, well, this from NPR:

The supercharged debate over the proposed center has attracted the attention of a quiet, underground audience — young Muslims who drift in and out of jihadi chat rooms and frequent radical Islamic sites on the Web. It has become the No. 1 topic of discussion in recent days and proof positive, according to some of the posted messages, that America is indeed at war with Islam.

“This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands,” said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. “Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee.

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.” [...]

Extremists and radical clerics posted a stream of “I told you so” messages: After years of telling followers that Islam was under attack by the West, the harsh reaction to a simple community center seemed to prove it.

Good job, wingnuts.

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  • Allen Frederick

    Just remember, if we don’t vote for Democrats the terrorists have won.

  • Irish Girl

    @Allen you’re such an asshat. Support for and against the mosque hasn’t fallen on clear party-based lines. So your criticism of Bob on this is just stupid and unhelpful.Bob, the whole controversy is shining a light on the underbelly of the American soul. And that underbelly still contains the strains of racism and bigotry, unfortunately. I wish we could just get past this whole ugly incident and move on but I’m sure the MSM will continue to milk it for all it’s worth.

  • jimtowndem

    I think you are all missing the point of the “ground zero Mosque”. if the bigots can piss off enougth muslims to spark a reaction then they will be able to say “see, they hit us again so lets bomb the shit out of them.” there is method in their meanness.

  • mattpd

    I kind of don’t care what they think or say on those networks. Unless you find me some “extremists/radical” site that says…’if only they would support the mosque/community center I would support america’. And even then, I wouldn’t believe it.I don’t necessarily think all opponents are racists (some of the ones in that video the other day certainly appeared to be). But I do think they are wrong.People have the right to not support the center. They have the right to be wrong. They have the right to protest against it. But in holding those rights they do not have the right to restrict other people’s rights. Taking on that african american guy was not right… that was stupid and yeah, i think racist. Luckily there were some people that stepped in and he wasn’t harmed.I do think that President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, and Senator Merkley get it right. We should not restrict their religious freedom to build that center/mosque. Assuming all laws are respected, there’s no way the government should prevent it, in fact they’ve sworn to uphold their right to do it. I think that is pretty plane and clear. I don’t know how their could be any legal argument against it.For those that say it is a reminder for those that lost loved ones in the 9/11 attacks. I don’t really have a good answer for that. They may be right. That fact saddens me and many people. But no less than the families of those who lost someone in vietnam might be reminded if they are in store and see clothes that were made in vietnam. Should we not allow that? You can make all kinds of connections like that. Japanese Cars, German Cars, There are German community centers in Philadelphia (near historically Jewish areas)…somehow they all managed to survive.I wouldn’t presume to get inside the thoughts of any of the surviving family members try to determine what they think. I don’t even want to know what they must have gone through. But I do think that, for me, it would be the everyday reminders of the empty pillow, or the one less plate at the kitchen table or the missing person in the graduation, or wedding picture that would be way worse than a building near the WTC site. I wouldn’t think it in the top 20.Back in WWII years, it was a perfectly rational and reasoning people who decided that we should lock up US citizens because of thier ancestry. Looking back on that, it was an ugly stain on the on country to have done so. If the government were to move to prevent this, i think it would be the same.Symbols can go either way. I choose to look at it as a symbol on how great our country is to allow that center/mosque to be built. I don’t really think it will change the minds of any of radical in another country…and i don’t care if it does or it doesn’t.

  • alopecia

    @jimtowndem: Maybe, maybe, the leaders of the protests would like to trigger a violent reaction, but I doubt even that. Pamela Gellar is vehemently anti-Islam, but crediting her with the capacity to plan and execute a geopolitical provocation seems excessive. She’s in it for the page clicks and the appearances on FNC, that’s all.The ordinary folks waving signs and chanting slogans in protest—in New York City and elsewhere around the country—certainly don’t want the US to be attacked again. My guess is that they mistake their Islamophobia for steely resolve in the face of an implacable foe.

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    I think this is what they want. Republicans actually want and hope for more violence.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ Nicole473

    What Ashby said.

  • Joe Moran

    Pamela Gellar is vehemently anti-Islam, but crediting her with the capacity to plan and execute a geopolitical provocation seems excessive.Perhaps so. But remember who her friends are.

  • brian desjardins

    Matt,That was an excellent post. You make a very lucid and very strong point…without insulting anyone and without demonizing those with whom you disagree…very unusual for this site….Thank you.

  • http://kcdad.livejournal.com Charles Brown

    Neopublicans NEED another attack on the US. Need, and want.