Special Comment and a Beer Summit

Olbermann last night.

The President has shown a willingness to give the Professional Right not just “seats at the table” as we try to restore this country to where it was before Bush and Cheney got a hold of it, not just to give it half the seats at the table, but often — far too often —to give it all the seats, the table, and the damn carpet.

Here’s what sometimes confuses me about the president. One day, he’s talking about giving everyone a seat at the table, including Republicans. The next day, he’s talking about how the Republicans drove the country into a ditch and we can’t allow them to do the same thing again — and that’s precisely what they want to do, he says. Weird.

The fact remains that in terms of passing legislation in the Senate, the swing votes are the conservadems and the Snowe/Collins duo. My serious question here is this: is the White House really trying to get Republican votes beyond the conservadems and Snowe/Collins? In other words, is the White House giving away “all the seats, the table, and the damn carpet” or is it merely doing just enough to appease the centrist votes and to pass the bill with the usual procedure, requiring the above swing votes?

I don’t know for sure. But the successful votes include conservadems and, occasionally, Snowe, Collins or Scott Brown. If we learn for sure that the White House was reaching for more than a handful of GOP votes merely for the sake of bipartisan kudos, I will be both shocked and disappointed. But that doesn’t appear to be the case. (Though courting conservadems can sometimes require Republican votes as “political cover” — a demand that could snowball, making more and more Republican votes necessary for passage. Politics is complicated.)

Olbermann also criticized the president for not starting with single-payer and negotiating it down to the public option (an idea we intensely debated here a year ago). On the surface and generally, I agree with this strategy.

The question, however, is this: would starting with single-payer have been a non-starter for the whole bill regardless of how vigorously the president’s sales job would have been? And would progressives have been complaining today about how the president gave away single-payer and settled for a public option? We just don’t know. We don’t know which path was the smarter move. It’s all hypothetical at this point unless we had a time-traveling DeLorean. One way or another, the White House exercised some political calculus and came up with the safer bet. One thing that’s true in life and politics, it doesn’t take much to blow something up. Just a spark. A dollar more here or there could butterfly-effect outwards and screw the whole thing.

Anyway, you generally know where I stand on all of this. I tend to lean a little more towards pragmatic politics and give the president a bit of latitude on these things, even though my politics are considerably to the president’s left.

Clearly there’s too much friction between the White House and progressives. I think the most profound reaction to the Gibbs remarks yesterday came from Sam Stein who observed how both sides are talking past each other. We actually have an opportunity, with this incident, to get a seat at the table and have a meeting of the minds. I wonder if it’s time for a White House beer summit with progressive leaders.

I’m confident that an hour or two with some lager would resolve many of the misunderstandings. Learn about the political calculus. Learn about progressive-style accountability. Set aside some of the grandstanding on both sides and learn.

We can do this. Seat. Table. Beer.

Mr. President?

Adding… Robert Gibbs attacking the “professional right.”

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  • ec

    All I can say is that Obama had better have given Lisa Jackson strict instructions to create carbon emissions rules so oppressive that the Republicans piss their pants and come begging to be at the negotiating table.Unfortunately, my guess Obama has not thought about carbon legislation for more than a couple minutes over the last year and a half. At least I have seen no indication that he has.

  • Jan

    Obama knows all of this. He knows what our progressive agenda is. As Gibbs mentioned- they watch TV all the time and I’m sure read progressive and conservative blogs. He’s hauled a number of democrats to the WH-progressives, BlueDogs, Black and Progressive caucuses—and mostly berated them. He gives progressive sounding speeches then caves into the right in a heartbeat.We never expected he’d be an Al Franken democrat. But we expected him to be a democrat at least. My issue with him is he doesn’t stand up and fight–ie public option. It’s like he throws up his hands and says oh well, not enough votes. Sorry. Immigration, gay rights, EFCA, energy–all on the back burner. If he can’t get this stuff through, I’d at least would like to know he tried. Bush tax cuts? pretty quiet on that. ElizabethWarren? Recess appointment? Not yet.These are the things that burn up the left and makes them not vote, not donate and not work on campaigns-his and state elections.

  • http://thebigempty.org Patrick Bjork

    I’m 57 years old. What I call the corporate wing of the Democratic Party has been bashing the dirty, fucking hippie wing of the Democractic Party for as long as I can remember. Why does Obama want it both ways? Bash Rethugs, yet continue inviting them to his table? Because he’s trying to both rhetorically appeal to us little people while also appeasing his corporate overlords. I mean, afterall, Obama is indebted to a variety of big donor, corporate interests, just like a Max Baucus and a Mitch McConnell. Call it what it is: a culture of corruption where everyone is on the take via campaign contributions.

  • caribbeanobserver

    @ecI know that everybody wants everything, and they always want it instantly, but this Prez is only one person and he cannot do everything all at once. It is noticeable that as soon as he has achieved something, the MSM conversation turns to griping about something else that needs attention.As I see it, change is either drastic or incremental, and people’s IMPATIENCE, having grown up in the quick fix/opinion oriented era, will continue to produce these type of conflicts.

  • caribbeanobserver

    @ BobWhat a wonderful idea. Do send it to the proper channels and suggest a morning/afternoon/evening with the Prez, so that progressives can ‘get it off their chests’ as opposed to this incessant backbiting and negative media bitching.I am a firm believer in a productive pro-active stance. I say, ‘Go for it!

  • DaBomb

    I knew a post like this would bring out certain commeters as represented above.I can’t take Olbermann seriously. He goes on about how we should Obama’s feet to fire and be held accountable, but when he makes irrational comments and is called out on them, he sulks. He can’t handle people calling him to the carpet. He doesn’t even vote. As Booman and Al Giordano has stated, if you plan on complaining about the administration constantly, expect some blowback on occasion. These people are human beings. The first 3 comments on the post prove what all this infighting has caused within the left blogosphere,an impatient voitng populace who wants a monarchy without understanding the kabuki of government. The last time I checked if you don’t vote, you really don’t have anything to say. He really can’t use being a televsion commentator(Ex-ESPN sports commentator) as an excuse for not voiting either.There hasn’t been any serious discussion. There’s hasn’t been gratitude about what has been done.Just whining. I am so glad we make up 2% of the voting populace. Guess what most people were concerned with yesterday? The fact that 100,000 jobs were saved not what Gibbs said. That’s the reality.What was being said in the lefty blogosphere? How Gibbs hurt professional lefties sensibilities and fee-fees, not that bill. I still even saw posts on Michelle Obama’s trip being analyze even after the real reason for the trip was given. And nobody noticed that James Carville retracted his rabid attack against the President and he handle the Gulf. Carville essentially apologized.@Caribbeanobserver- I agree with you wholeheartedly.

  • pbfishtaco

    Let’s just be pragmatic. Campaign promises were never meant to be kept, and memories kept short.In that spirit, let me end by saying I don’t pretend to have all the answers to the challenges we face, and I look forward to periodic conversations with all of you in the months and years to come. I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up. And I, in turn, will always try and show you the respect and candor one owes his friends and allies. –B.O. 2005 Daily Kos

  • eljefejeff

    Bob, good post.I do think Obama thinks bipartisanship is important and will continue pursuing it until the end of his presidency, even to the detriment of his landmark legislation and overall public perception.

  • Allonfla

    ENOUGH!!! Who negotiates like that? Go in and ask for the impossible and then you can get what you really want? Isn’t that called negotiating in bad faith? Or just plain moronic? Sanders himself said that there were only 18 votes for it. Frank came out himself and said that it wasn’t Obama’s fault we didn’t get the public option. Why is there still so much bitterness over a watered down public option that would have covered only 2-3 million people more AND would have had higher premiums? That is what you guys wanted? Who’s that House rep or Senator going for the public option again? get on board with her and push a real public option instead of mourning the watered down version.Can Keith tell the president how to negotiate with people who get rewarded for bucking you at every turn? Remember Joe Wilson got a $1 million money bomb for calling the president a liar? Well we have Democrats who could care less if the president gets what he wants. They get rewarded with re-election or called a hero like Feingold. They run from him and his record while calling themselves Democrats yet he still needs their votes which involves watering down his proposals. Its reality. Its not playing favorites. Keith’s comment comes off as if he was personally insulted. Every action the WH takes is taken personally by the left and I’m tired of it. At the end of the day, its about the American people not about your feelings.Sorry, no sympathy from me. Gibbs was right and the very people defending the professional left have said the same thing many times.

  • Allonfla

    @Jan: Warren? Recess appointment really? So you want to dismiss the fact that Obama has only done recess appointments after his nominee has been languishing for months? but with Warren he needs to give a recess appointment the day he announces her as the nominee?keep moving that goal post. he nominates Warren and the new hurdle is to recess her right away. this is the type of crap that frustrates the rest of us including the WH.

  • Allonfla

    @Dabomb: you are so right. they are all looking at the shiny ball while the Senate and the House DEMS were able to save hundreds of thousands of jobs AND our president has signed it w/o question. PLUS over at TPM Gates announced a cut to contractors – didn’t see that story anywhere else yet Keith had the time to comment on his feelings being hurt.

  • http://weeseeyou.com DaBomb

    @AllonFla- Precisely my point. Nothing was really mentioned about Gates cutting back some of the budget in the Pentagon. Nothing.The main news topic was how the Professional Progressives widdle feelings were hurt. You have people pissed who aren’t even professional lefties.I attend OFA meetings and those people don’t understand the blogosphere. The self-aggrandizing behavior is boggling to them. They don’t considered themselves progressives or liberals. They are democrats. They are regular folks who just want to get word out about this presidency and the positive things that have occurred. They didn’t get all that wanted either, but they are mobiizing the ground effortlessly. I have neighbors around me, who still proudly display their Obama stickers and buttons. They love him and know that he is trying. They don’t agree with everything he does, but for the most part, they feel he has their best intentions at heart. They have some form of trust. Which many in the left I believe don’t have.Gibbs essentially said what Van Jones hinted to, but Van Jones was more nuanced in his repsonse. He doesn’t get the behavior either. He said it at NetRoots. Now there are some who thinks he’s an Obot, because he didn’t trash PBO.Ask a real live human being who Keith Olbermann Ed Schultz,or Cenk Uygur are. They will give you a blank stare. Most of these folks weren’t even for Obama at first and jumped on his bandwagon begrudgingly. I have said the same thing a million times on this site before, we are only 2%-5% of the voting populace. The lefty blogosphere is a narrow vacuum. How about trying to recruit and vote in more progressive representatives who will contribute to pushing the administration’s agenda?

  • Luke B

    Bob,This is why I follow your blog. Your insight and commentary shape issues in the most understandable and effective way. You also seem to always provide the leading example when we progressives seem divided.

  • http://weeseeyou.com DaBomb

    Great update with Gibbs targeting the Professional Right. People also forget that PBO swatted Republicans during those long table discussions. Remember how they were pissed that they weren’t getting a seat the table and PBO essentially allowed them to ask questions and ended up swatting a majority of their complaints.So this administration doesn’t just “attack the left”Short memories….

  • http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2010/03/morning_awesome_859.html Bob_Cesca

    Thanks, Luke!

  • Allen Frederick

    Wow – a beer summit. That’s really encouraging. I would certainly be satisified if Obama had a beer with a progressive. That would solve everything.You seem to get what Olbermann was saying, that Obama has not given a single true progressive a seat at the table. Anywhere. Ever. For anything. As a matter of fact, he has blocked progressives from having a seat, or any key role. This is documented.Perhaps people can stop bashing progressives about “whining” and “not being realistic” and all this other bogus crap and start focusing on what IS enraging progressives: That they have absolutely no sway in this adminstration. None. Yet they took all the money, and were more than happy to work with progressive organizations (MoveOn for instance) to get their money. Once in office though? Fuck off progressives! Gibbs made that clear.No – not this time. It’s no accident that all this progressive talk is cropping up again. Just in time for the midterms, so they can bamboozle us into ponying up again and blindly pulling the lever. No – not this time.

  • ec

    caribbeanobserver, in December of 2008 I was at an energy conference where everyone (Democrats and Republicans) agreed that the Markey bill would be passed in a landslide. Then Obama took office and everything has slipped away. How is it that we had almost certain passage of a well designed energy bill under the Bush administration, we win, and things fall apart?I am still stunned at how badly things have gone wrong.Obama is my president. I will vote for him again and I do not regret voting for him. But, I am deeply disappointed.Yes, he is “only one man”. But he is a very powerful man and he has a big, big staff that should be following his command.

  • caribbeanobserver

    Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with bitching, whingeing,griping, singing the same ole song, but after a while if you are do not get up off your butt and be pro-active about what you need and want, it remains just that…bitching, whingeing,griping AND singing the same ole song (which some of us who do not feel as strongly about Your issues get worn out listening to.)So,I say,.. demand, command, pursue! Gibbs started a conversation, therefore, NOW IS THE TIME to get it going, full on.P.S Chain yourself to the White House,if needs be!

  • eljefejeff

    Just wondering, how many of you were really engaged during the Clinton years? Or the Carter years? Or the Kennedy/Johnson years?My father warned me at the start of Obama’s presidency, he said “Watch out, I remember being so hopeful with Carter and Clinton, but the press was merciful, the opposition was determined, and nothing either of them did ever was enough to placate their base.”Of course, I fluffed it off, like “yeah Dad, Obama will be different, you watch.”I’m not excusing anything Obama’s done, because I’ve lost count of my complaints, but this is reality. If you stood by Carter or Clinton, I just ask that you do the same with Obama. He said all along, on Election Night, in his inauguration, he’s not the president of democrats, he’s everyone’s president. That’s in the job description, whether we like it or not. He has a responsibility to all 300 million Americans, not just the 70 million who voted for him. Sure, it would’ve been smart of him to at least make it look like he was fighting for a public option, but in the big scheme of things, that’s just one aspect of the myriad of items he’s had to deal with in the past 19 months.The fact is, he owes us nothing, even if we donated, volunteered, and voted for him. That’s not how the system is supposed to work. I didn’t like when Bush gave his wealthy donors a huge tax cut and we shouldn’t expect political favors either. What he does in office now should determine if we vote for him again, and if you don’t like it, and are fine with a republican replacing him, then go for it. I personally disagree but everyone gets his or her own vote.

  • http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/ Jim in Michigan

    Good post, Bob. One thing that bothered me about Olbermann and Michael Moore’s segment last night was when Michael claimed that the progressives fought hard to win the White House, House and Senate in large numbers…which is true….but a lot of those democrats that swept into the House and Senate were “conservadems”….the exact people that President Obama had to woo to get the HCR bill passed. When the “professional left” take credit for this big sweep in 2008 and start demanding things, they never seem to acknowledge that a lot of those dems who were swept in are quite conservative. It wasn’t a liberal fest as both of us would have liked.And you are so dead on about being pragmatic, we would have nothing if President Obama had taken the Hamsher tact….nada, zip, zilch. That’s why you are so awesome.

  • http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/ Jim in Michigan

    Oh, and O/T little tidbit. If I could afford it, I’d be going to the Martha’s Vineyard African American Film Festival this weekend where my documentary is showing and my brother arranged a beer summit with Henry Louis Gates, who is going to attend the showing of my film. Our own little beer summit. But alas, I can’t afford to go…spent all my money in NYC last week.

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    “Progressive style accountability”This is the whole problem to me. What does that even mean?Does this mean accusing the president of being a sellout or saying you are no longer going to vote when every little pet-issue doesnt go your way?That seems to be what most “progressives” view as accountability.And “progressives” claiming they are the ones who delivered the president into office makes me want to barf.

  • ec

    Jim in Michigan, Well Done! I wish I could come.It is looking like you will have good weather. I wish you the best.

  • unkle smokey

    JM, what issues did go the way progressives wanted? Health Care? Finance Reform? Guantanamo? DADT? Reduce Pentagon’s budget? I’m just asking.

  • MrBrink

    Beeeeer…

  • staci

    Agreed, Allonfla and DaBomb. I also found it hilarious that Olbermann thought the flight attendant story was fantastic because he was fed up in the same show that he cried like a bitch because Gibbs is fed up with the likes of him.Also, shouldn’t the president be referred to as either President Obama or Mr. President and not Mr. Obama? I got a little irritated with Olbermann last night even though he does this all the time.

  • Maximillian Hencke

    I just came up with a name for those of us who self-identify as “Progressives” but feel disillusioned with the far-left’s lack of appreciation for President Obama’s politically pragmatic legislative accomplishments: “Pragressives.”I’m an Obama pragressive. I don’t believe in throwing out good legislation because a perfect bill can’t get the votes.

  • Nicole473

    Sheesh, I’m so late to this discussion! [busy packing to move in September....grrr]Anyhoo….what DaBomb, AllonFla, Jim, and Staci said.@Maximillian…right on, brother!And what luke said re Bob. Well said, Luke. :)

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ Nicole473

    Allonfla:

    @Jan: Warren? Recess appointment really? So you want to dismiss the fact that Obama has only done recess appointments after his nominee has been languishing for months? but with Warren he needs to give a recess appointment the day he announces her as the nominee?keep moving that goal post. he nominates Warren and the new hurdle is to recess her right away. this is the type of crap that frustrates the rest of us including the WH.

    Exactly. I can not tell you how much the constant whining/nitpicking irritates me. We all have our disappointments, but…Obama is still the MOST Progressive Pres we’ve had in DECADES.Get a fucking grip, people!

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    Uncle Smokey – Everything you mentioned has been done.Was it perfect? No. Would it be perfect under any other president under the same circumstances? No. Would any other president have done better? Probably not. Would other presidents have done worse? Entirely possible.Did any of those things go exactly how progressives wanted? NoDid they go exactly how Right Wingers wanted? NoDid any of them go exactly how independents wanted? NoSo it didn’t go exactly the way anyone wanted, but it got a lot of things accomplished and set the country on a different path.The president officially ordered the closure of gautanamo on the 2nd day of his presidency, but the senate refuses to lift a finger to follow thru.

  • Desert Crone

    Bob writes: Here’s what sometimes confuses me about the president. One day, he’s talking about giving everyone a seat at the table, including Republicans. The next day, he’s talking about how the Republicans drove the country into a ditch and we can’t allow them to do the same thing again — and that’s precisely what they want to do, he says. Weird.I really don’t get your comment; it seems naive. Obama reaches out to certain Repubs who can help push his agenda, but when the Repub leadership is acting over the top, he takes them to task.