It’s the Stupid, Stupid

Via Kevin Drum, the new Washington Post poll shows across-the-board preference for the Democrats over the Republicans on everything from the economy to personal values. On the “deserve to be re-elected” question, Republicans are less deserving of re-election than Democrats.

But more people said they’re going to vote for Republicans anyway.

As Drum notes, it’s the economy. And I agree, but I would add that it’s also stupidity. Many of the most determined voters right now are people who believe the Obama administration is somehow banning prayer and indoctrinating children. They don’t realize that 30 percent of the first stimulus was tax cuts. They don’t realize that less spending and deficit reduction will make things worse. Most of all, they’re willing to let the Republicans have a stab at governing again, even though they believe the Republicans are less competent and less capable. Pure insanity.

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  • roxsteady

    Seriously stupid. I keep hoping that the idiots who are being polled are a very small sample of the electorate. These folks really are stupid if they’re willing to hand back control of congress to Republicans without full knowledge of what that really means. The Dems had better begin blitzing them with ads that expose exactly where these lunatics are going to take us.

  • Becky Kutz

    So, I ditched my land line about six months ago. My younger brothers ditched theirs about a year ago. We’re all between 30-35 years old. I know very few people my age who still have their land lines. Is this predicament in any way going to lend itself to these Tea Party (i.e. old, white, uneducated) -leaning polling numbers? Those without land lines tend to be MUCH younger, and tend to be minorities.

  • http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/ Jim in Michigan

    The polls are inflated by enthusiasm right now. As the election draws closer and real voters pay closer attention, those numbers are going to swing back our way. In fact, I think we are going to fare a lot better than ANYONE is saying. As you’ve been documenting for the last two years, the Republican party is nominating some pretty extreme folks and when people actually hear and read what they are saying instead of vacationing and enjoying summer, those numbers will change drastically. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be doing our part to get the word out.We need more stimulus and we need to counter the lies that the previous stimulus didn’t work, it worked wonderfully considering it’s small size….more, more, more.

  • roxsteady

    My sister and I have both and I can tell you that neither of us have every been called. I’m really sick of all the gloom and doom polling that spells big losses for Dems. I’m just hoping that we get out there and crush these idiots. I saw one poll this morning that said 58% of voters think that Republicans will not return to Bush policies if they regain control of congress while just 35% believed they would. WTF? Exactly what have these people heard from Republicans that makes them think they have any new ideas? I can’t speak for all of them but, it seems that many of the people they poll are just fucking idiots! There’s no nice way to say it.

  • Lexaburn

    I’m not seeing a real correlation to Republicons winning, and people expecting things to get done. More likely this is a latent reaction to the shock of having a black Democratic president in the WH. Call it cliche and/or presumptuous, but this is how it appears when you factor in the distrust of the GOP.Rox, that poll you’re citing is suspect. There’s no damned way anyone believes the Cons have anything more than what they’ve already laid out, a quarter of which is what they proposed for the last fifteen or so years. The dubious nature of the question leads me to believe a guilty conscience is at play. No one actually listening to the Cons can come away with that conclusion. It’s as if they’re asking people if they believe Republicans are actually Republicans. Ridiculous!

  • Allonfla

    Something is not adding up. “I like you, I like your ideas, but I’m going to give the rose to other guy” –??

  • Allonfla

    Something is not adding up.

  • MattMcD

    Not to get Heisenbergian, but couldn’t it related be the daily reporting of these polls about how everyone is supporting Republicans? That’s all anyone’s been talking about for months. It certainly gets more attention that, you know, actual accomplishments.

  • Justin Rosario

    The best part? The absolute BEST part? The GOP takes both houses and the country falls into a deeper recession. Obama’s fault. Palin/Beck take the WH in 2012 and the country falls into a depression. Still Obama’s fault. Republican “fiscal responsibility” vanishes (as usual) and the deficit soars to unheard of heights. Somehow still Obama and Democrats’ fault.Republicans manage to finally privatize SS and millions of senior citizens find themselves below the poverty line. Still Obama’s fault.Palin wins re-election in 2016 on the strength of having just narrowly averted a nuclear terrorist plot that was widely publicized but, strangely, with no actual proof it happened. We go to war with Iran and Syria. We also re-invade Afghanistan.At last, in 2020, after 8 years of obvious corruption, graft, hyper partisanship and cronyism, the Dems take back Congress and the WH.Republicans immediately blame the incoming administration for the state of the country.And Americans fall for it.I’ll be living in Germany by then.

  • roxsteady

    I thought this was odd too Lex. I wish that pollsters would do follow up questions like, what evidence do you have that Republicans will do things differently? Could you give me an example? Allonfla and Lex, you’re both right. There is something not right about these polls.

  • roxsteady

    What’s really disturbing is that Republicans feel that they can get away with not offering any real policies before the election. It’s like they’re riding that “Beltway Narrative” which says they’re going to win. The Dems have got to force them to lay out their plans. If Republicans won’t tell voters why they should vote for them the Dems should make it their job to do it. A good start would be Jonathan Capehart’s post today about just who is responsible for the deficit. The Dems also need to do a better job of reminding people that while Bush’s policies sucked, he only signed them into law after the same people running against the Dems crafted the legislation. It’s like the public seems to think that Bush governed with a congress that no longer exists. These are the same clowns and they need to be exposed.

  • GrafZeppelin127

    No sane, reasonable country would hand itself over to these people under these circumstances. It is hard to imagine why anyone other than hard-core Republican partisans would vote for the GOP now.That said, in any sane, reasonable country, it would not be a winning strategy for a candidate, in interviews and debates, to showcase his/her stupidity and ignorance, respond to questions and criticism by demanding things of his/her opponent, and avoid ever having to explain or defend one’s views and proposals.

  • EGB

    I’m just thinking that a year ago it was all batshit that the President was going to welcome the kids back to school. Not much has changed sadly.

  • Lexaburn

    Heeere’s Sully:”What I fear and see is the right’s inability or refusal to face this or to innovate genuinely new policies to address these questions (Manzi is an exception who proves the rule). And in its place, they will offer a cultural politics of reaction at home and war abroad. They will intensify the red-blue divide, and blame the “elites” for everything, and turn Islam into the modern equivalent of Communism (unwittingly helping the enemy), and take the world to the brink of chaos. That’s what I fear in my bleaker moments. Because it works for a while. And it will make millions for those who want to use America’s decline rather than reverse it, and will distract the heart by deadening the mind. And I see no one with the gravitas or decency or responsibility in the GOP to be an Eisenhower.That’s why Obama still matters. It’s why, in my view, he matters more than ever.”

  • Lexaburn

    @EGBYeah, it’s “Freedom Fries” all over again.Outrage for the sake of outrage, and the opportunists scurry to take advantage. Take the buffoon saying he’s going to burn Qurans. Listen to the imbecile lambaste Islam if you’re looking for some comedic enrichment. It’s like listening to Gabby Johnson from Blazing Saddles.

  • staci

    Completely off topic, but BIG news here in Chicago. Mayor Daley has decided not to run for another term. I know Rahm Emmanuel wants this job. Maybe he’s out of the White House. Good thing, bad thing regarding Rahm possibly leaving the administration, not a clue. Daley not running again, Happy Tuesday to me!

  • dvatri

    “The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt” Bertrand Russell.I don’t trust the polls – they are attempting to lead the trend rather than report it – question wording, timing etc…some undecided voters might decide based on the polls and wanting to be on the side of the winner or follow the ‘crowd’- a strange psychological phenomenon. but is the crowd real?

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    I dont trust the polls either. I still think Republicans will gain seats but not retake majorities in either chamber.I think a Dem Get-out-the-vote push will make all the difference. The republicans are disorganized on a national level, the dems arent. Most republican funding doesnt even move through the RNC anymore and Michael Steele is a national joke.The dems however still have some 100 million home and email addresses from the 2008 campaign.

  • adx

    Grafzeppelin said “in any sane, reasonable country…”Since when has this been a sane or reasonable country?