Quote of the Day

“People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, ‘The animation genre.’ It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!” Brad Bird

I know it’s not politics, but it’s a topic near and dear to me. Bird was responding to this piece in the New York Times. Animation has been around for more than a hundred years — almost as long as live action film. You’d think by now people — especially people in the filmmaking and television businesses — would understand the basics of it. I’ve dealt with way too many network and studio executives who look at me like a space alien when animation comes up in conversation. Fuck it. I’m moving to Japan where they get it.

This entry was posted in Quote and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink.
  • http://www.windonwater.net QueenTiye

    When you move, can you please find some people to do a real decent sci-fi show, with alien looking aliens, and cultures and whatnot – the kind of thing that can only be done effectively with animation?Kthxbye! :) QT

  • alopecia

    One theory that’s been floating around for a few years is that the Japanese “get” animation because of their tradition of graphic novels, and that their tradition of graphic novels is grounded in written Japanese: ideograms require a person to process visual information differently than alphabetic writing. I’m not sure if I believe it, but there it is. Certainly there seems to be a strong cultural component to accepting animation as a valid art form.People on the creative side of television and motion pictures certainly understand and appreciate animation. The people on the business side of television and motion pictures barely understand the business side of television and motion pictures; expecting them to grok animation (or science fiction or fantasy or just intelligent storytelling) is unreasonable.What I’d love to see is an animation studio here in the US that’s like Pixar, only for grown-ups, but that’s a subject for another time and another (and probably much longer) comment.

  • Colton421

    mind=blown

  • Allen Frederick

    Oh god, another millionaire entertainer that wants to be deemed an artist, and his medium an art form. This is almost as tiresome as the video game creators demanding the same. So tiresome.Brad Bird is an entertainer. His movies are product. Whether or not they are good product is subjective, but they are absolutely not art. That’s a joke and an insulting one at that.Do you think Picasso sat around demanding people call cubism an art form? Did Pollock cry and whine that critics called his work spaghetti instead of art? Those guys – and all artists – create art because they HAVE to, and couldn’t care less if anyone else is interested. Emily Dickinson had almost no work published in her lifetime. She did it because she had a deep need to express herself, and didn’t care if she made money or even if anyone else read her work. That’s an artist.Can animation be art? Yes. “The Triplets of Belleville” is art. Not “The Incredibles” – which is entertainment created specifically for mass consumption and large profits. When Brad Bird starts creating personal work that is not meant for mass consumption, then he can make his case for being artist. Until then, he’s an entertainer and his medium is a craft – not art.

  • http://www.osborneink.com OsborneInk

    Amen! Cowboy Bebop is a genre all its own by using every genre in the book to tell a single animated story.The reasons Japan gets this, I think, are (1) there was never a Bowdlerizing backlash against comic books, and (2) they never had an infantilizer like Disney. Perfectly ordinary adult Japanese read Manga and watch anime.Here in the US, that’s the province of kids and adult losers.

  • http://tarackian.deviantart.com J M Ashby

    Osborne is a Bebop fan. I wouldn’t have guessed. Good show. Second only to Ghost in the Shell. GitS is my bible.You’re right Bob. I do think that Americans are beginning to understand though. Things are changing, especially as the old generation dies off and the next generation moves in.Hey Frederick, go choke on a dick and shut up.

  • Lexaburn

    They brought the Edna out of him.

  • alopecia

    @Allen Frederick: Brad Bird is a storyteller. He would be telling stories whether he was being paid for doing so or not, because he can’t not tell stories, the same way John Grisham can’t not tell stories, the same way David E. Kelly can’t not tell stories, the same way Joss Whedon can’t not tell stories. Crapping on Bird—or Grisham or Kelly or Whedon or anyone else who gets paid to tell stories—for getting paid to tell stories is unfair and intellectually dishonest.William Shakespeare’s plays were product, created specifically for mass consumption and profits. Was William Shakespeare an artist?Defining what is “art” and who is an “artist” is fraught and, in a weird way, I kind of admire you for taking a shot at it. I also kind of think you miss the point.

  • jane

    I’d bet Picasso argued that cubism was a GENRE…Once again, All Fred’s only relevant point sits atop his Australopithecine head.

  • Sprocket

    “I’m moving to Japan where they get it.”…I…think you might want to learn a *little* more about Japan before you do that, Bob. I had that romantic view once…when I was in college. It’s the same there as it is worldwide, I’m afraid.But I feel your pain, as a hardcore fan of animation, I really, truly do, so don’t take that as a slam. For instance, you’ve got guys like Bryan Baugh, who’s been storyboarding in animation for over a decade…and he doesn’t even LIKE animation. It’s a head scratcher, to be sure. I may not be an artist, but I know art, and I lament the lack of respect animation continues to get.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com/ Nicole473

    Well, i know nothing about animation, but I do know a lot about art, and i know that animation is an art. How could it not be? Watching animated movies with my son when he was little convinced me of that. Consider The Lion King. Or Beauty and the Beast. [sorry, i only know the mainstream stuff]And, even I know that it isn’t a damn genre. :)

  • likala

    Hey Bob,I reckon there’s not a person, place, thing or opinion you might praise or have an opinion on here on your own fucking blog that the self congratulatory “I told ya so” pro left resident will not show up to take a shit on.Man, oh man you have some serious patience.

  • Polar Bear Square

    Yes! Yes! Double like!One of the best movies I saw last year was Persepolis. Great, great animation film.