Four More Years! Four More Years!

Obama pisses me off at times, still running the wars and just plain not making decisions on important issues BUT….I will vote for him in a heartbeat vs. whoever the repubs put up against him. People have to remember above all Obama is a politician and is not going to make every move we wanted him to. We do not know all the info that the president has, the secret shit we never hear about. There are reasons stuff happens and we just have to understand that.

@Ronbo…..then you are a plain and simple fool.Yeah, it really is that simple.

Kucinich/Hamsher? I thought it was HRC/HRC? Now I have to make another batch of t-shirts. Goddammit.I have a friend, a libertarian friend, that firmly believes that Obama’s approvals are so low that he will lose in 2012. Yeah, I know. AND, he believes the man to beat him is going to be Bill Owens.Anybody here remember Bill Owens? Exactly.

Btw, Germany has a really interesting voting system called proportional representation that’s favorable to third parties. Also, their elections are held on Sundays or national holidays. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I mean, consider how much higher the turnout would be in America. Our beloved Tuesday elections also favor the wealthy and retirees since most normal workers can’t really afford to be off voting during working hours.

Hamsher’s too busy trying to find a primary opponent for that sellout anti-progressive Bernie Sanders to be something like a running mate.

For each person killed, there are children, aunts, uncles and many, many people left to suffer.

You’ve made it clear that you don’t give shit about people suffering, assface. As for the Obama hate on, kewl kid wannabes are so 2010.

Ronbo sounds like he is in the age range of 16-20, you know, where you know a little and think you know it all.Very naive. Or maybe just stupid.

Excuse me, but I feel I must reiterate.”Ronbo sounds like he is in the age range of 16-20, you know, where you know a little and think you know it all.Very naive. Or maybe just stupid.”Cross out the naive.

Nicole, I’m not so sure about the age 16-20 thing, but Ronbo is a honors graduate of the Trolling Academy.. it’s employing a suspiciously familiar tone and tactic. Your best bet: just ignore.

@Dan….yeah, sigh, I know.

As a matter of fact, guys – you might want to copy and paste the entire post that contains that little psychotic sentence into a notebook somewhere for safekeeping in case we’ll need to show it to the Secret Service later on for proof.During this upcoming campaign, the mentally unbalanced on both the right (and especially the left) will be coming out in droves. We need to keep track of each and everyone of them.

Dan in DE,Are you serious? You consider posting pro-Democratic, anti-war comments on a liberal site to be a trolling? PolPot would LOVE you. You’d give Himmler wet dreams. Your “Rove”arian logic is apparent and obvious.Because I argue for peace, not war, you attack me? You attack with absolutist rhetoric when I merely wish that America stop bombing innocent people? Blind allegiance is merely blindness.I truly love Obama’s rhetoric. It’s just that his actions rarely match. If you wish to see a perfect match, please compare CIA policy with Obama’s actions. From keeping Guantanimo open to regime changes, there is no daylight between the two. If otherwise, please PLEASE point it out. I am a man of reason and logic. When the facts don’t match, stop arguing. That’s the first rule of debate.I think the lady(s) doth protest too much. Casting aspersions has boomarang on you.

ronbo is clearly mentally deficient.

You know, there was a dope just last week that wanted to play the holier-than-thou game with me.He ended up imagining himself slathered in imaginary man-goo, Ronbo.Seriously!Who are you going to vote for that WILL NOT carry on the supposed Bush Legacy i.e. wars where the innocent are slaughtered (meaning every war), hmm?Now you already fucked-up when you said you’d be voting regardless of whether you’d vote for Obama. So give us who you’re keeping your eye on for the prospect of challenging the president, and, perhaps, I or some other Cescan will enlighten you to their foibles.Cowardice and pugnacity are not options in this discourse, so indulge that candidate’s name promptly, Ronbo.

Obama ran on escalating the war to win decisively and end it sooner. How’d that work out for the 20+ people killed last week? I guess GE and XE need more profits that expected.Come on people, use logic and reason. Blind faith is merely blindness.BTW – good one Nicole473. Your logic is impeccable. Almost as good as the teabaggers!I am a man of logic and reason. Please use facts to sway me. I see no one has pointed out the daylight btn the CIA’s policies and Obama’s actions.We, as Democrats, can do much, much better than Obama. Isn’t he the man who said his hero is Reagan? Now that’s a true Democrat. (maybe not)Please comment if Reagan is your hero as well.

Ronbo – you’re wasting your time on this site. Anyone who doesn’t hail dear leader Obama without question is called a troll. Bob calls anyone who doesn’t agree with him a troll. It’s really sad, pathetic even. In the end, it’s all because Bob is insanely jealous of successful left bloggers, you know – the ones who’s opinions matter, the ones who get things done, the ones who appear on tv because they give cogent analysis – not just cheerleading.

Again, Ronbo, name the individual who’s a better choice than President Obama.Use logic and reasoning to decrypt your own bullshit. Give a factual assessment of why the individual is a better choice.Oh, and if you will, explain to us how Obama won the presidency – and more importantly, democratic votes – after he did, in fact, cite Reagan as one of the people he admired.

Dan, we can’t go around making false assumptions. We’ve already established that “Ronbo” is a spiteful troll, we must ease a subconscious confession out of him.Let’s see how far the troll is willing to bend to our subversive coercion, Dan, shall we?*knows it’s the same troll*

Apparently Greenwald ends up on teevee because he “gives cogent analysis – not just cheerleading.”You sure it’s not because the conflict-obsessed media loves to hear from progressives who have turned on the president that they only recently elected?And what makes you so sure, Denghua, that Bob’s ultimate goal is to get on teevee like Greenwald? Are we projecting a little?

Ronbo:

We, as Democrats, can do much, much better than Obama. Isn’t he the man who said his hero is Reagan? Now that’s a true Democrat. (maybe not)Please comment if Reagan is your hero as well.

I think you’re talking about this, and that’s not at all what he said.And, if we can do so much better than Obama, who is it that can do so much better? Name the candidate who can win the primary and general elections.

I am voting for Obama because he got all this shit done in just 2 years ——-> http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.comHe did all of this with an opposition party who did everything they could to make Obama a failure, 24/7 fillubusters, DINOs, and spineless dems…in spite of all of this he got his shit done. I know I know….It’s Obama’s fault that all of the legislation was not perfect and at times got watered down some because of the forces mentioned above but it must be Obama’s fault…What Obama got done was historical in the face of a 24/7 fillubuster that no other president in the history of the country had to deal with an entire broadcasting out to destroy him. Simply amazing and he is worth more than just 4 more years!

Yes, Dennis, I know.BTW, I’m not a real doctor, just a licensed therapist and counselor. I help individuals keep track of their mental ailments for the REAL doctors. Like a prescreener of sorts.This is what I’m attempting to do for the troll, but, darn it, he keeps scurrying away when asked pointed questions.

Yeah, allen/deunga, Bob has every reason to be jealous of Hamsher the con-ratfucker.Get a new line. You’re such a bloody bore.

Lexaburn:

You must understand, jdsne, they’d be hollering about the humanitarian crisis that the president was ignoring if he’d done nothing in Lybia.I’m thinking the ones here did not vote for Obama in anything besides one of those fake online surveys asking should he show his REAL birth certificate.Their miming of liberal pacifists is completely sloppy at best, and asinine at its worst.

I have no doubt that (some of) the same people screaming about the Libya involvement would be screaming if we had done nothing. I don’t know how you’re supposed to stop a military from slaughtering its own people…. except with military.I don’t know about this latest troll, but it certainly seems to me like Allen Frederick is one of the most persistent trolls that I’ve ever seen on the Internet. Most people give up eventually. I have to wonder about some of these people and what their real motivation is. I’ll keep my conspiracy theories to myself, but there has to be something that contributes to this particular troll’s persistence.Finally, nobody’s ever answered that question when I ask. Who’s Obama’s primary opponent? Who can win? I’ve never gotten an answer. I can maybe fathom one–Kucinich? Yeah, I’m pretty sure Obama will get 95% of the national Democratic vote.

jdsne: I’ll keep my conspiracy theories to myself, but there has to be something that contributes to this particular troll’s persistence.

Yeah, I agree. Although our thoughts as to who might be behind this particular troll may be very different.

ronbo……..hahahahaha.Please, keep spewing . We’re bored.

Again, as your (blow-up) wife says, “Ewwww”.Dr. Dean proved that the Dems could win with a 50-state strategy. Obama proved that he could assist losing the House. Given a second opportunity, Obama will show us how to lose the Senate.These are facts, not your ick-drip lips.If it is I who is the troll, why do I use fact and reason while you fantasize about having sex with me?Bob, would not appreciate your goo. Not that there is anything wrong with your lifestyle.

Ronbonehead, it is apparent you are as ill-equipped to answer my question as you are to insult my person.Listen, Dr. Dean, proved that a Democratic presidential primary candidate could be done in by being a bit too enthusiastic in front of a crowd of college kids, but that’s besides the point…I’ll imagine you actually having a post that I don’t scoff at before I fantasize about you sexually. Shit, I imagine you actually answering the question I gave you finally. But we both know neither will occur, so I’ll settle on watching you imagine yourself as being desirable to an actual human being, ok.You’re spazzing out like the deviant troll did last week. However, in this case, you’re being a bit more unruly, as if you’ve come prepared to challenge me specifically.Oh, well…

You know, I tend to try and ignore the trolls and not engage, but we have a special case here today.First – you can’t have it both ways!You can’t blame Pres. Obama for the things you claim he didn’t do and in the same breath, condemn his accomplishments.Example – you blame him for not closing Gitmo, but the facts are that he did and then congress denied the funding. Would you rather that he was, in fact, just like bush and used executive powers to do what he wanted? No, you would scream as much about that…Alternatively, you’re partially correct that congress makes the laws, but Obama signs the laws, and as leader of his party, encourages them to focus on his agenda. He also has the power of veto.So your logic is greatly flawed because it’s either both or none. Again, you can’t have it both ways.BTW, I’m already signed up and ready to volunteer. So whoever you want to support, don’t whine on a blog or a message board and try to say you’re doing your part. Get out and do something for your community. Bitching online isn’t a community service and most certainly isn’t campaigning.

Congress makes the laws and the president can veto, pocket veto or sign them. Please give credit where it is due…Congress. If you aren’t as smart as a 5th grader, JDSNE, Dr. Lexaburn or Nicole473, they do have remedial classes in most community colleges.Who cares about the “whatifs” McCranky isn’t President. It is Obama who immediately folded and extended the Tax Cuts for millionaires. McCranky did not support then abandon the public option. McCranky didn’t expand the CIA wars. Are you proud of Obama’s broken campaign promises? I know, I know, good things may have come out of it. But don’t you wish he even tried? Once is a mistake, but nearly every time (?) is a syndromne. A Republican syndrome.Blind allegiance is merely blind. Democrats can fidn better swinging a dead cat into a crowd. No offense to the dead cats on this site (JDSNE, Dr. Lexaburn and Nicole473)

Ugh I just stepped in troll dung while reading this nonsense.So the faux progressives wish for a more pure candidate. One who will adhere to their ideals no matter the cost. Should he be blonde haired and blue eyed too?How about this – Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

You just refuse to answer that question, doncha, troll?List as many grievances as you want, you’ll not convince anyone of anything until you at least TRY (sound familiar) to answer the question?Here it is: who is your choice for a primary challenge to President Obama?There’s no need to issue passively lame retorts.Simply answer the question, troll.

The troll doesn’t know of any other progressive politicians that haven’t been mentioned on this blog and some other blogs, I reckon.This is why he’s so reluctant to answer the question. Any one he picks can be read up on and dismissed.

Oh, it’s not like the troll didn’t come in here accusing us all of being “blind loyalists” or anything.An insult is a insult, no matter the severity, troll.And are you accusing us of not insulting you while claiming we’re bullying you?Damn it, is your skull full of beer, ya ninny?FTR, I’d simply call you “Bobo,” if I felt that play on your pseudonym was necessary. “Ronbonehead” is effective and to the point.Tie your hands some more, why don’t you, Ronbonehead, The Harassed.

I used logic and fact and the troll insulted me and implied I’m some sort of automaton or something. But then whines when it’s insulted – you can’t have it both ways (yet again).Oh well, it’s just a sign that it’s rabbit/duck/elmer/political season.

Howard Dean, eh? Current polls have him at 10% in New Hampshire in a hypothetical primary.So, nope, Howard Dean can’t win. But yeah, let’s waste time and money and energy on a primary election.

Yes, I now agree with all of you. Name calling and adhominem attack are now a sign of superior intelligence.With this, we now know that the tea-party is ground zero for mensa members. Well… that seems odd; but, since you MUST be correct, I’m putting Bob’s site as second in line for the prize.But isn’t second place actually first place for losers? No, that is now wrong.Hugs and kisses to all the warm and intelligent persons at this site. You are now free to believe… War is Peace. Love is hate. Lies are truth. Logic/Reason are superfluous. And best of all… wiat… Obama is a Great Democrat along the lines of Roosevelt. If one doesn’t adore Obama (without question) one must be wrong and punished with name-calling, scorn and (sadly) a tired old man’s nasty jizz.Kids, your reading assignment is Orwell’s 1984. It’s about blind obedience and the bounty of good things that flow from it. Read it, love it live it. Do not question authority.

It’s ironic that this group of posters scorn the tea-party; yet, they use the same false-logic, red herrings and tactics.I do give the low mark to the man/person who donates his jizz to the argument.Does anyone else think that is purely disgusting and repugnant – at all levels?It tells a lot about a person – it tells a lot about you. Will you stand-up for dignity or will you support degrading humnankind?

Ronbo sounds disturbingly like someone that just unfriended me on FB because he decided I was too full of hate and too ignorant because I refuse to swallow his religious kool-aid. Adam, is that you?

Yeah, it’s me, so what?

that was a good one, ainsleyroad

Alan,Let me tell you a true story about my sister. She was an average student – but not great with math. She realized that the persons who got the best grades in geometry turned in their papers first. Using mistaken logic, she decided that she wanted good grades also, so she turned her test in first. It didn’t improve the results.Just because Obama can win, does not mean he is the best. Obama’s tenure definitely favors the wealthy, the corporations and the Military Industrial Complex. We have a clear record with Obama of a rapidly shrinking middle-class with a historic expansion of poverty. That is not all Obama’s fault. Not even the majority of his. However, Obama has not given us an alternative. There are no jobs programs, no energy independence programns, nothing but maintaing unemployment benefits – and not expanding anything beyond 99 weeks. His deficit commission clearly favors cutting benefits – we knew that when he named his selection. We have seen minimal change – after it was promised. His half of the Bank Bailout was NO Different from Bush’s first half. Do you believe, with his record of appeasment, that SS is safe in his hands?I was asked who I liked better. I like Dean. Dean achieved something that no one thought possible – a successful 50 state strategy. It gave Obama everything he needed to achieve a great agenda. House, Senate, the public.With all that, Obama changed as little as he could get away with. Hell, 66% of the public opposed DADT and Obama is still fighting to keep it on the books – just as he is taking credit for it passing.I voted for Obama and I watched him trip himself up at about every juncture. He chooses to keep things as they are – to not make waves – to not fight the good fight – to not fight for what is right. When the ship is sinking, (as we all suspect) we need a leader – not a follower. Especially when things get worse. Do you think that the 18,000,000 unemployed Americans who have run out of work, out of unemployment benefits and out of hope are magically going to be saved by a wonderful speech or a knowing nod?We need a WPA-style program that is innovative, creative and inspires hope. Have you seen anything like that coming from Pres. Obama? He was the last great hope for America (when will any President be given the House, The Senate and the American public?), and his choice has been made to stay the course.The mortgage industy is about to experience real trouble, our dollar is being decoupled from Oil and inflation is rapidly edging up. This President makes great speeches, granted. But no great speech has fixed our unemployment or brought manufacturing jobs or even won a war.You may think our troubles are behind us. I’ve a feeling that we haven’t seen anything yet. Without jobs, with inflation and with the dollar decoupled from oil, we are toast.In a catastrophic, haphazard and fear-based environment, the Republicans will easily allow the wealthy to pick our financial bones. And Obama will knowingly go along with the vultures.I simply want a candidate that will actually “try”.

BTW – I did not post “Yeah, it’s me, so what?”It’s a not-so-clever attempt to mislead. Watch this…

I can post using another name!

Sorry, I screwed up my HTML tags in my last post.

With all that, Obama changed as little as he could get away with. Hell, 66% of the public opposed DADT and Obama is still fighting to keep it on the books – just as he is taking credit for it passing.

If Obama loves DADT so much, why didn’t he, you know, veto the legislation to repeal it?You’ve resorted to simply making things up.

Adding – read them carefully too, also.

Actually, Ronbonehead, I asked who could “win” against President Obama. See, I used “challenge” as a prerequisite to actually “winning and doing a better job.” I was not entertaining your delusion of grandeur as much as offering you the opportunity to enlighten us to someone that actually had a chance to beat him. See, if and when Dean actually ran against Obama in a primary, you’d have enough to material to bitch about after Dean lost. I’m not about to give you that option, so Dean would have never crossed my mind. As noted, Dean played the game and got beat by John Kerry. His strategy, as sound as it may have been, was just that – a strategy. It was not him winning a contest. I’m not even speaking on the fact that you’re changing the logistics of the entire conversation. Again, this is about who could actually win AND do a better job. Otherwise, you’d have gone with Kucinich, but he’s been out there recently (or for a while, depending on the context, if you get me;). Dismissing him, you went for Dean in order to speak on the fabled fifty-state strategy he never got the chance to follow. Give me a fucking break, man!Attaching yourself to lost causes is not an impressive feat, and your little anecdote about your sister, while cute, says more about your priorities. Perhaps your sister should have been paying attention to what she was doing instead of focusing on what others were doing. If you say she did, where is the example in your conduct? You’ve done nothing here but cement the fact that you like to bluster as much as any troll, yet you turn wimp as soon as you’re challenged.Again, trying to be a super-liberal is also not an impressive feat. You’re not the lone individual that cares about these issues on this blog. The fact that you bring these things up here tells me you are aware of this fact. As I’ve said, you trolls would never bring this shit up in a crowd of rabid Cons. You’re cowards that come here to stable waters to cause a splash. Try the shit beyond this and other progressive blogs, and you’d get taken by the sharks.That’s not even speaking on your penchant for defending teabaggerism obliviously. You claim we’re better than them, yet you look down on us for challenging you that same way we’d challenge a teabagger. Who are you trying to reach here and for what purpose? Everyone here has a certain amount of empathy for liberal causes. Yet, they do not wear them on their sleeve. Yes, almost everyone here wanted universal health care or a “public option,” yet you all forsake an entire movement because we end up with something else. It is the inverse of a teabagger’s stance, where you want more from Obama, yet you speak in generalities, never speaking in specifics. It’s just like your citing “Dr. Dean” as an inspiration. He’s a victim before he even announces his candidacy, because you know he’ll lose, thereby giving you a platform to wail. It’s rote and pathetic, this routine of the so-called liberal progressive.List as many liberal grievances as you like in you effort to be the uber liberal here and abraod. It means jack shit if that’s all that defines you. For all intents and purposes, you should quit co-opting liberal stances for appearances. You do them a disservice with you constant displays of preening and whining.”Old-school Democrats” were Republicans. Now they’re fossils holding back the country because they feel, rightly or wrongly, a bit left out. I shed a tear for them (not really).Quit bullshitting us, man.With Dean against Obama, you’ll see the former TRY and fail at taking out the latter.Deal with it, troll.

Ronbo, I don’t really know why anyone else is bothering to argue with you, because it’s pretty damn clear that you are too stupid to argue with.I know this because only an absolute idiot thinks that primarying a sitting Democratic president is the way to bring about progressive change. Yes, that makes you an idiot.It is an excellent way to achieve a Republican win in 2012, and I have to wonder if that’s really what so much of this crap coming from Firebaggers is really about.

Actually, it is you, Ronbonehead, that one could liken to a flat-earther. See, it is you here dallying in the delusion that a Democratic candidate could actually stroll his way into a primary against the first black Democratic president, win, then go on to win the WH. Read your own words back to yourself. This is exactly what you are implying. See, I can discount a quarter of the factors, too. You’re doing that thing the teabaggers accuse us all of, which is making presumptions. Nothing the Republicons could muster would rival the animosity that Dean would inspire should entertain the delusion. So this is why you, yes, attach yourself to the lost cause, in order to give yourself the platform. Copernicus looked for the facts, where the others dallied in theories.You fail, smarty-pants.

If we do not replace Obama with a real Democrat, there is a risk that the 35% of Democrats will move to a third-party candidate representating their views – liberal, moderate and iffy-independents.

Wrong again. Democrats support the President by an 82-12 margin, and about half of those 12 are probably Dixiecrats that should have changed their voter registration. The idea that 35% of Democratic voters will vote third party is laughably absurd. I think that you’re maybe overstating the number of purist progressives that absolutely won’t vote Obama.Replacing Obama would also depress the African-American vote. That would be wonderful news for the Republican Party.

Primarying Obama forces him to stop moving right and actually moves him into stating Democratic goals. Obama keeps the Obamabots and the AA vote while his re-positioning moves additional traditional Dems, libertals, progressives, gays and back into his camp.

I’ll tell you exactly what Obama is going to do between now and the election: triangulate for independent voters, because they are a much larger voting bloc than purist progressives. So you are not going to like it much, but Obama’s going to go where the votes are. 90% of the Democratic Party will vote to re-elect Barack Obama.

In the effort to look as if he has an actual plan, and is not acting out of spite, Ronbonehead basically admits to taking a politician at face value during a presidential contest.Ain’t that how ya fucked up the first time supposedly, Assbag?Yeah, you need to put down the “logic and reasoning,” assbag, you’re using it all wrong.

If all you ask is “do you support the president” of course you get that among Dems. Oh, little thinker, we must break down the polling further.”Enthusiastic” support went from 12 to 3%. “Unenthusiuastic” and “indifferent” went from 14% to 38% total. How many unenthusiastic voters show up to vote? Not many.The youth vote spiked for Obama, It is now the most unenthusastic segment – with a clear history of not voting. If Obama does not move back to the center, he loses all critical advantage that he held in the last Presidentail election.Did no one at this site see the “thumpin” the Dems took in the last election? Tell me you are smarter that than!You guys really need to read Daily KOS, RCP and the related polling sites.And again, do you think calling names does anything other than expose your lack of facts and logic? Step up or go home.

How’d I know the troll would blame Obama for the last election. If anything, that election serves as proof that progressivism isn’t as popular as you say, assbag. That whole comment was based around that one factor.The next election will not be the ’08 election. Shit, you sound like one of those prognosticators on television following a script written by a Con producer now.I not only step up, I step on your buffoonery, troll.

Of course, the question asked was “Do you approve or disapprove of Barack Obama’s job performance?” And 82% approve, while 12% disapprove. All of those people will be voting for Obama.Speaking of the youth vote, there’s this gem:Are you very excited, somewhat excited, or not at all excited about voting in the 2012 election for President?Very excited, Somewhat excited, Not at all excited

18 to 29	59	23	1830 to 45	49	26	2546 to 65	53	28	18Older than 65	49	32	19

Huh, looks like young people (who approve of the President, 49-39) are ready to vote again. I’d like to see a citation for your 3% number.

Yeah, you’re that troll from last week. You bring up my manhood just like last time in an atempt to belittle me.I did not threaten to do anything to anyone, moron. Last week you broach the subject of “ejaculate” and I threw your comment back in your face. Now you’re here still wiping what I threw off your face. I merely asked the question whether you’d have been happy if I’d have done all you’d said, instead of ridiculing you for being an obsessed asshole reveling in vain displays of uber-liberalism.Don’t get mad at me because you’re such a worthy object of ridicule, Ronbonehead.

Dr. Lexicon,I scanned up the post and you are the individual threatening me with your mastrubation. Now I see you call me an assbag and other assorted names.Go pull your pud on some other victim. Your limp diatribe is as pasty, white and bloodless as that pecker in your hand.

Post the comment, Ronebonehead, or it didn’t happen.Do mind that willfully misconstruing a comment to make a point will be called out, Ronbonehead.P.S.I’m black and AM NOT holding my “pecker” in my hand.

Ah, another pseudonym switch, I see.

Alan,I sense from your tone, that you do have logic and reason. Please don’t abandon it as with Dr.Lexicon.We have two years to gather data as the world changes under our feet. Everything we know now could be wiped out – by something unseen or unstoppable (eg decoupling Oil fromn the $).My hope is that Dems don’t paint themselves into a corner with Obama. He has the podium and I’ve yet to see much different from stay the course from him.Does anyone here recognizer that the course is NOT leading anywhere we want to go? The rich are getting richer, the poor poorer and the media more bought and paid for.I’ve been voting for 40+ years and things are definitely NOT getting better. Reagan broke trust in government and ever since we’ve not had a Democrat with Spine to stand up and fight for the little guy.Alan, keep your mind open and measure everything you see. Read blogs that make you uncomfortable (left and more left – RCP is as red as anyone should get) and don’t pre-judge. Allow logic and reason to form your opinon.Most of all, please don’t allow Dr. Lexicon to shoot his load on you. I suspect he is diseased.

There are no olive branches to progressives

Aww, you warm my heart Ronbo. I feel very honored to have your praise.However, your baiting and blustering and poo throwing here make me think you are less than sincere.As for you advice on what to read and how to think, thanks, but no thanks.The problems this country faces are not caused by the President. They are caused by infantile players on both the left and the right who stomp their feet and hold their breath if they don’t get everything they want righ now, damn it!I’ve been reading this blog for several years, posting very occasionally. If anyone had ever gotten the impression that most Cescans are anything but pragmatic, then they are mistaken.Take your “Progressive or bust” crap elsewhere – it’s not wanted here.And now I’ll join Lexaburn in wishing you to just go fuck off.

Dr. Lexicon,Your post at 12:41 PM is where you threaten the “mangoo” treatment.Are you the same Lexicon who claimed to be a hispanic women last week? I’m the same liberal do-gooder I was last week. Please do not foul the internet of limp, pasty and spent arguments.Instead, join me helping Harvesters deliver food to the needy. Saturday after next you will recieve a plastic bag in the mail requesting a donation of non-perishable food be set by the mailbox. Give quality foods and for God’s sake, keep your hands off your privates. It’s disgusing. And I did note that no one joined me in condemning your repuignant and disgusting sexual perversions. Perhaps, Bob will chime in soon.

So Alan, you have thought and reasoned and concluded by hurling an ignorant, uncalled for and foul word. Do you touch your wife/boyfriend/children with those same fingers? I’m sure they would not be proud of your ultimate conclusion.I still have hope for you, buddy. If nothing else, condemn Dr. Lexicon’s repugnant psyco-sexual perversion. You don’t want readers to think that you approve of that kind of sickness. But then again, maybe you embrace the Dr. Lexicon treatment. Enquiring minds want to know.Harvesters is a great charity.

Dr. Lexiburn,I said I like Dean. And I call out Bob, because he has a large measure of decency in him.You, on the other hand, You’ve spent your wad. Give up your strange sexual perversion with me. We can argue the facts – but I’m not arguing insults with a man (?) who thinks jizzing on me is a valid argument.Harvesters is a great charity (especially when BOTH hands are available).

The smaller your brain the more important party affiliation becomes. I vote for the individual. I voted for Obama once; but, won’t make that mistake again!What you do is more important than what you say or your party. Has anyone noticed that Obama is the third Bush term. Only fools would see Obama as anything other than a Republican in Democratic clothes.I’ll be voting; I just won’t vote for the sellout Obama. I didn’t like Bush policy and, as such, I don’t like Obama policy. May he suffer as he has prescribed suffering for others.The above was your first comment. When others disagreed with you, you mocked their intelligence. When the shoe is on the other foot, you play victim and run to Harvesters for sanctuary.For the sake of intellectual honesty, stow Harvesters. It is just another leg your troll ass hides behind when you’re called out.You’re trading insults with me, and you believe someone’s going to come help you. Bitch, please!

This blog has been on my daily visit list for four years. I’m sad to see how far it has fallen in that time. Bob’s capitulation to principal-free centrism has robbed this place of its moral core, and it’s disheartening to see how many regular posters have gleefully followed him down that road. This is a nasty, insular, circle-the-wagons kind of environment now. I won’t be visiting any longer.And for the record, I don’t read Firedoglake.

Uh-oh, another pseudonym switch.This one won’t be visiting any longer, either.And they do not read firedoglake.No, no, not ever.Note that this wasn’t an “insular” environment no longer worth visiting until one found something to disgree with the majority on.Trifles!The troll is attempting to play like he’s another person. Then if I call him out again, he’ll claim that I’m a sort-of reactionary that proves his point. He’s also attempting to have the last word after he was rallied out of this here thread.Hohum, such tactics are typical.Anything else, troll?

Lexaburn, let the troll talk to his alternate personae. Don’t waste any more of your time on this fool.

Ronbo: You’ve hurled insults and disguting imagary – though you blame it on others – this entire thread. While some would call this one word vulgar, it is fitting as I address it to you – FUCK you.Lexaburn: start the quote with a less than symbol “”. End the quote with the same thing, but precede add a backslash as such “\blockquote”.Look at the note right above where you post if this is corrupted due to useing partial tags.

@Dan in DESaid: “but I doubt that we’re attracting the best and the brightest of each and every new crop of Institute for Technical Trolling graduates.”I absolutely agree and have thought the same thing for quite some time. Great comment.But as for the rest of the thread, I’ll just reiterate my standing point of view, and that is, the Democratic party is the only political party in America right now capable of hosting real democracy and debate– and it’s the Liberals who make it so.But more importantly, may the best arguments win, and in the light of day. Having said that, right now, whomever subscribes to this shit-fitting anti-Obama, “Dear Leader” ridicule, have shown they have no idea what it takes to make a thoughtful argument based on the delicate nature and nuance in contemporary American democracy.Sloppy and light-headed is how I would describe some of the counterpoints in this thread and elsewhere. If you’re going to convince people that President Obama doesn’t deserve another four years, I would remind you that we did get some good accomplished in the short window given, or I should say, relinquished by the narrow-minded left.You political delinquents stood by, arms folded, while state legislatures, Governorships, and the U.S. House of Representatives went radically right, and all you’ve really offered in return is, “you had it coming” for supporting the politics of a Democratic presidency.You know nothing of momentum in regard to movement politics, and are still staking claim to ONE election, where you got off your asses and showed some potential.Gone.What has happened, due to your childlike understanding of what sort of forces America is really up against, is Republican Tea Party nuts beat down the doors of American democracy like bused in operatives shouting down the 2000 recount.You have no credibility because you have no focus, and are blind to the peripheral fight.I’ll take four more years of President Obama, if for no other reason because I won’t trust the ‘professional left’ to be there when we need them.What could have been an 8 year term with 8 years of a Dem House and Senate could have really pushed back against a relentless lockstep army of right wing cranks, racists, liars, and corporate toadies, turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom.You sorry bunch of self-righteous hacks have let the whole country down, from school boards to municipalities, in ways that may never be fully appreciated, because your “focus” is centered on shortcuts, or the easy way, and a poor understanding of movement politics.Would it have really been that difficult to tout financial reform, healthcare reform, investments in cleaner energy technology, DADT repeal, START, student loan reform, the largest middle income tax cuts in U.S. history…? I could go on. Because there’s a whole list of things that aren’t good enough for you, but somehow, because a few solid inches of gains isn’t a mile– means failure!It doesn’t matter to you, though, that the President stood up in front of the country and likened his situation as President of The United States Of America– as being a hostage negotiator.That’s what I voted for. That’s what I’ve got.And I’d like to think we all knew that, but you poor excuses for “progressives?” forget what the country’s up against. The President has not.I believe it’s better to have a President like Obama in there, than a line-item vetoing doofus like Republican candidate X with a full House and Senate with which to navigate the ship of state.And the fact that there are those who think this blog is some sort of safe haven for a pro-war, pro-corporate point of view is the ultimate indicator of trolling ignorance.You’re weak, and so is your best argument.

Yes, thank you MrBrink, good stuff.

Brink makes a good point here among many: where were all these uber libs during the slow, but steady teabagger takeover besides on liberal blogs causing discord?It’s as if they’d developed myopia and focused solely on the president and the congress, not on the Cons ever ready to dismantle their (stressing “their”) precious sense of Democracy. Notice when the troll pulled Howard Dean out his ass, he only gave him credit for one or two things. He then admits, that perhaps, Dean will lose. He never mentions that perhaps the party will be splintered, which is ultimately the goal the troll seeks. Never mind the bull about pushing the president to the left. That’s a notion he threw out there in order to stick with his uber-lib position. They’ve done absolutely nothing to actually help the party attain or regain seats. In the past two years, all they’ve done is sabotage the entire Dem-electing process, to the delight to the delight of the media dorks who invite their icons on talk shows. When Gibbs called out the phenomenon, some of them even cried to the Cons about it, trying to garner their sympathy. There’s video of this. The shit reminds me of the ’08 Dem primaries, when Clinton and crew cried to FNC that the media was on Obama’s side. The PUMAS are exacting their revenge, I’d wager. They suggest a primary is possible in order to relay the possibility of drama most foul, all of which benefits who exactly?Let’s just say it benefits “the privileged,” no offense to some of you reading where I’m going. We know who frightens, coddles, then consoles the overly “privileged” (and willfully ignorant) for votes, don’t we?

That’s too much drivel to ingest from you Lexachurn. It’s just not worth it. I get it, you don’t get to talk at work, you just listen to other people all day long, and here you just spew and spew and spew. Fine. And your clinical skills are so blunted that you really believe that you are able to distinguish between one faceless commenter and another. Fine. You’re wrong but fine. But as a therapist you should be ashamed of the way you throw your credentials and your much self-regarded analytical prowess around, you know that goes against all therapeutic and ethically grounded behavior. unless of course this is just your own therapy session, and you’re simply venting. Vent away, grasshopper, vent away.