The Bubble Genius Bob & Elvis Show 5/12/11

Posted on 05/13/2011 at 9:05 am by Bob Cesca

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Lunch with Bubble Genius; Iowa and Hawaii; Crappy TV Sitcoms; When SNL Was Actually Satirical; Elvis Is Probably Gay; Torture; The Redemption of John McCain; The No Attacks Mythology; Newt Gingrich’s Southern Strategy; The Most Ridiculous Constitutional Amendment Ever; and much more! Brought to you by Bubble Genius!

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  • http://Buffalodavidspeaks.com buffalodavid

    SNL went down hill after they lost Michael ODonoghue . He came from the old National Lampoon magazine (that also went down hill after he left). http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Mike-Life-Michael-ODonoghue/dp/038072832X%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D038072832X

  • TomFactor

    From a dot of blue in the Blood Red Oklahoma Sea, thank you guys. Sincerely.

  • darkmatter

    Elvis has the best stories about his youth. Bob really needs to make a Elvis Is Probably Gay compilation one of these days.

  • The Dork Knight

    Another great show! Elvis vexes me. I am vexed.He and I agree very much on torture, though oddly Elvis’s moral concerns about torture do not extend to shooting an unarmed and surrending criminal twice in the face (if, it should be noted, thats what actually happened. I don’t know because the White House has been all over the place on this subject and seems to go out of its way to NOT provide clarification as to what the SEAL’s orders were and what happened inside the compound).I know that this post is going to get me yelled at, that people will scream firebagger, intellectual handwringing liberal, but how one can be so antitorture and pro summary execution escapes me. Im alarmed anytime the president, any president, decides it is in his authority to kill another human being. And yes, I am antideath penalty, so really the entire subject constitutes much moral soul searching for me.I generally agree with Moore’s concerns on this, even if I conclude that here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/13/keith-olbermann-defends-m_n_861466.htmlOlbermann is right… that the practical problems with capturing trying and executing him were insummountable and would have costed lives.Perhaps the solution (if only in retrospect) would have been trying Bin Laden in absentia, sentecing him, then taking him out. Maybe something to consider going forward for all the other terrorists on our hit list.

  • http://drangedinaz.wordpress.com IrishGirl

    TDK, I’ve never been comfortable with the whole “trying in absentia” route for anyone…so I’m not so sure that would have worked well for OBL.In re: to the Seal’s orders, when it comes to Team 6 kind of stuff, we will never know the truth of what was told to them. And therein lies the problem. They’re so secretive.Also, I don’t think the fact that the WH changed the story is indicative of anything sinister. I think it is the nature of anything really critical and fast moving….Imagine the sequence of events and the scene. You’ve got a seal team on the ground reporting to a communications HQ in theater. That HQ is conferenced in with someone representing the WH (forget who it was, Pres O says in his 60 min Interview). The Pres and his team (the one in the picture) can hear what his rep is saying and maybe can hear partially what’s coming into HQ. So they have their initial take on what happened right?Now add to that the reality that the Seal team will have said stuff as soon as they got on the boat (which will have been reported to the WH)….then they would have been debriefed, which will be reported verbally immediately and then in writing to the WH later. Along with all the info coming from others involved on the boat, both verbally immediately and in writing later.All the info isn’t coming in at the same time….and it is getting filtered and interpreted by different people and levels and then being communicated through the Pres or his Pres secty. That’s a lot of points of failure to communicate. Okay, how coherent and consistent will the info be? Not very. It’s like playing that whisper game and seeing how f’d up the info is at the end of the line, know what I mean?In re: to OBL being shot…he’s made it known that he won’t go down with out a fight. He’s considered the most dangerous person in the world and the Seal team, regardless of their image as brave tough and never afraid, would have been worried. I think they did very very well to only have put two bullets in him. I’m curious as to how many bullets were shot at OBL overall. A typical street cop will shoot anywhere from 3 to 5 shots on average. The first shot almost always goes in the ground or low because his/her trigger finger almost reflexively squeezes as soon as the gun is clear of the holster. There was a woman who was shot in the leg and was used as a shield by OBL. I’m figuring she took the second shot because that’s about the right height for it. The third shot would have been chest or face height (the ones that actually struck OBL) and then maybe a final one high on the ceiling.Why am I proposing only one shooter? How many Seal team members can fit in a door and fire at a human target effectively? My guess is one. You’ve got one at the door who recognizes OBL, the female shield, maybe words exchanged, maybe movement on part of OBL, then the shots. Outside another is covering their back. Another one would be down the hall or in the closest open door scanning other access points. Other team members on an established perimeter, probably securing the floor.No matter how clear the order the Pres gave the team, they are not law enforcement officers and they did what they were trained to do, which is to kill. I’m still okay with it, quite frankly.

  • The Dork Knight

    Irishgirl, have I mentioned you rock? Cause you do. I always enjoy your posts.I agree that trial in absentia is not ideal, but it sure beats no trial at all. The WH knows what its orders were going in. By now, the WH has a clear understanding of what happened in that compound when it was raided. I just what them to tell us. Whatever the truth is, I just want them to tell us.

  • alopecia

    TDK, we only yell at you when you deserve it. ;^)I doubt too many people who post here haven’t had second thoughts about the shooting of bin Laden. However, he said he wouldn’t be captured alive and so might have booby-trapped the compound or even worn a suicide vest—me, I think he was probably too much of a coward to do so, but that had to be going through the minds of the Seals. As for telling us the truth about the raid, the White House has clearly decided that telling the public more than has already been said isn’t going to happen; I don’t necessarily like that decision, but I understand it, especially the politics (the Rs would second-guess everything that was said and done going back to January 2010).And you are, of course, right: IrishGirl rocks.

  • alopecia

    Far less seriously, analyzing comedy is a mug’s game. There have been a few sitcoms in the past few years that I liked, bordering on loved (Better Off Ted was hilarious, Samantha Who? had its moments, and almost every frame of Coupling is brilliant), but most sitcoms strike me as painful and unfunny. Saturday Night Live was always painful and unfunny for me because nobody ever seemed to know how to end a sketch (PROTIP: when the studio audience stops laughing, you’ve gone far too long).