Comments on: GOP State Senator: The Market Shall Overcome

By: nathkatun7

nathkatun7 — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 02:24:00 +0000

In reply to D_C_Wilson. Racial discrimination in private clubs is still not illegal. Also, the 1964 Civil Rights Act exempted small boarding houses and restaurants that could legitimately show non-involvement in interstate trade.

By: muselet

muselet — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:29:00 +0000

In reply to D_C_Wilson. Public opinion is changing so quickly on LGBT issues, I doubt it will take 20 years. Ten, maybe. –alopecia

By: IrishGrrrl

IrishGrrrl — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 22:38:00 +0000

In reply to Victor_the_Crab. Oh believe me I want to every time he pulls a stunt like that. But I need my job and the boss who owns the company is even more conservative than the asshat. The boss can fire me at will--AZ is a right to work state meaning I have no right to work at all. And good luck trying to find work here in a smaller sized company where the boss isn't a rich, usually religious and extremely conservative, man. I could try to work for someone big like American Express but they have their own set of crap to deal with. If I had my own druthers, I'd be my own boss and I would never hire the kind of person that would stand up and say they were going to Chick-Fil-A just to be an obnoxious douchecanoe.

By: Victor_the_Crab

Victor_the_Crab — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:38:00 +0000

In reply to IrishGrrrl. You should have told the asshat "Enjoy your Type 2 diabetes on a bun!"

By: IrishGrrrl

IrishGrrrl — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:28:00 +0000

In reply to D_C_Wilson. Exactly right and well put. Back during the Chick-Fil-A thing, one of the guys at the office would stand up and loudly announce how he was going there for lunch to support them. No one really said anything (except the other conservatives who jumped right on the bandwagon). However, if it had been a restaurant that was well known for not serving blacks or hispanics, there would have been some serious push back.

By: GrafZeppelin127

GrafZeppelin127 — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:27:00 +0000

I am sick to death of everyone racing to name the KKK in any hypothetical or analogy involving discrimination. At least this jackwagon used the KKK as the stand-in for the bigoted merchant, not the gay customer. Typically, people want to get you to agree that of course it's OK to refuse to serve a Klansman, especially if you're black or Jewish, so of course it should be OK to refuse to serve a gay customer, especially if you're a Christian. I'm even more sick to death of conversations about discrimination becoming a litany of increasingly-ridiculous counter-examples, in a deliberate attempt to play the victim-by-proxy and completely fail to understand what discrimination actually is and how anti-discrimination laws actually work. Three things we have to remember: 1. Discrimination is legal if it is reasonable. 2. Discrimination is illegal if it is unreasonable and causes economic harm. 3. Discrimination on the basis of certain characteristics enumerated in law is presumptively unreasonable. Start from there.

By: D_C_Wilson

D_C_Wilson — Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:35:00 +0000

The thing is, he’s talking about discrimination based on race at a time when the vast majority of Americans now agree that such discrmination is wrong. Of cours today, if a business advertised that they refuse to serve blacks, they would be boycotted and probably driven out of business pretty quick. However, if such a business had done so at the height of the Jim Crow era, they would be lauded and patronized by massive numbers of whites. The movement for LGBT rights is more analogous to the period where Jim Crow was starting the decline. Most Americans might disapprove of discrmination against gays and lesbians today, but, as Chick-Fil-A proved, there are still plenty of bigots out there who proudly patronize a business that discrminates based on sexual orientation. Maybe in 20 years, public shaming could drive such a business under, but we aren’t there yet.